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    Re: origin of the 7 sealed scroll?

    Thank you. The three visions in Ezekiel. Chapter one, 8 starts another, 40 the Temple. The throne is above the stars. God is building a new heaven and earth. Earth will reap these affects. Increased as you see today, as we get close problems increase more so. Euphrates just the beginning. Earth will also receive more energy from the sun that increases its speed, third vial. Back to Ezekiel He depicts the Stars and Planets destroyed and built and their orbits. Chapter 40 is the new heavens with four new planets that will support man. The gates plus one in the outer court. The Brass man is a wrecking ball so to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    2ndly, are the 4 horsemen representative of angelic powers, since the 4 living creatures open the 1st 4 seals?
    Yes!... I have been saying this for years. The key in understanding these four horseman are the fact they are introduced by the four living creatures, the four beast of God's kingdom.

    Thus the four horseman are the opposing evil of the four godly beasts. There are 4 in Satan's kingdom and 4 in God's kingdom. Note however the 4 evil will not appear as evil, but as a godly counterfeit.

    As one set is counterfeiting the others we look to both to gain better understanding who they are.

    In the heavenly realm they are spirits angels. However on earth they a physical men, 4 kings, which shall rule 1/4 land of their respective kingdoms.

    The four beasts in God's kingdom whom will be again 4 kings in eternity over the land are the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and then David will be the fourth. David will be one king but will have all authority over the land.

    The four horseman represent 4 kings upon the earth at a time when Satan's kingdom comes upon the earth (Rev 13). You are these actual names of these kings? Would have to be part of Satan's government..

    Now an important understanding is that these four horseman like the four living creatures when take rule of the land come up TOGETHER. And do not represent past kings or kingdoms.

    Though they existed only to date in the heavenly these four have yet existed upon earth. When the four horseman come upon the earth this will be the fourth kingdom spoken in Daniel.

    The first three kingdoms in Daniel are past and in error to say Babylon is the lion and so on. The fourth kingdom is future and made up of four parts, the four horseman, Bear, Lion, Leopard, Beast rising up together (Rev 13).

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    Re: origin of the 7 sealed scroll?

    Quote Originally Posted by Revelation Man View Post
    So the Seals do not get opened, then we wait on one to come to pass and another is opened, the First Four Seals are all about the Anti-Christ, the Seals RELEASE HIM to do what he is going to do over a 3.5 year period, then we are shown the Martyrs or his handiwork in Seal #5. So all of those seals are opened Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing there is no wait, they are only RELEASING certain events, showing what this evil tyrant is going to do. Then the Sixth Seal is opened, at about the same time as the first 5 seals, it announces the Wrath of God supernaturally, but all the Seals are God's Wrath, he has allowed a tyrant to go forth Conquering. But no one waits on the Seals to pass, the 7th Seal is HELD UP, because the 144,000 or the Jews who flee Judea have to be given time before the 7th Seal is opened, because the 7th Seal beings the 7 Trumpet Judgments.
    So whilst the Beast accomplishes the FOUR SEALS bringing to pass the 5th Seal, which is ANNOUNCED as here/upon mankind by the Sixth Seal, the earth is getting pelted by the 7 Trumpet Judgments and the 7 Vial Judgments. It is all the Wrath of God.
    You got it!!!

    Satan's kingdom comes upon the earth all at once the first four seals for 3.5 years 1260 days. Now one slight add, I see the 5th seal as the start of the AOD and the second beast (Satan himself + first beast) rev 13 days 1260-1335.

    I see these four as the fourth kingdom of Daniel divided into four parts, Lion, bear, leopard, beast.

    The 7 heads thus also come up on the earth at this time, and never represented past kings or earthly kingdoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    And do you think the creatures releasing the 4 horsemen are angels?
    Understand angels are spirits which can indwell flesh. Thus these four in heaven can appear as 4 physical kings on earth at a different time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    My own view of the first seal is that this is Christendom - the unification of state and church, and so leading to the church conquering nations through the state. It isn;t Anti-christ and yet it also is not Christ. It is not His Kingdom, but Man's attempt at His Kingdom, hence ChristENdom.
    Dan 7
    3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. (Lion, Bear, Leopard, Beast)
    17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

    Rev 13
    2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

    The four horseman in the first four seals are these four kings. It is Satan's kingdom upon the earth


    Not sure how you come up with your view, but it is not scriptural.

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    Re: origin of the 7 sealed scroll?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Dan 7
    3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. (Lion, Bear, Leopard, Beast)
    17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

    Rev 13
    2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

    The four horseman in the first four seals are these four kings. It is Satan's kingdom upon the earth

    Not sure how you come up with your view, but it is not scriptural.
    Nope, the first four seals are NOT the beast. I have no idea how you came to that position.
    The four great beasts of Dan 7 ARE however the parts of beast of Rev 13.

    My view fits scripture, but as Revelation does NOT explain the seals beyond what is seen and happens, so it is difficult to be certain of its meaning.
    This then requires an understanding of how other scriptures are fulfilled.

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    Re: origin of the 7 sealed scroll?

    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    Nope, the first four seals are NOT the beast. I have no idea how you came to that position.
    You have no idea? C'mon. The first four seals are clearly four kings each having control over 1/4 of the land.

    They are introduced by the four beasts in God's kingdom (whom are four kings).

    Even the fourth beast has two characters. Death and then Hell. Hell capitalized being the little horn.

    Again the first four seals are the Lion, Bear, Leopard, Beast. 1260 days.

    The 5th seal little horn, second beast (little season) 1260-1335 75 days being a "little" season. Season being 90 days.

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    Re: origin of the 7 sealed scroll?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    You have no idea? C'mon. The first four seals are clearly four kings each having control over 1/4 of the land.
    Really? Where does it say that?
    ONLY the last of the four seals mentions a quarter of the land, and that is mentioned in regards to death and hades (which are mentioned as separate).

    They are introduced by the four beasts in God's kingdom (whom are four kings).
    The four living creatures are NEVER called kings, nor connected with kings, nor do they wear crowns.
    Another weird claim.

    Even the fourth beast has two characters. Death and then Hell. Hell capitalized being the little horn.
    Again the first four seals are the Lion, Bear, Leopard, Beast. 1260 days.
    The 5th seal little horn, second beast (little season) 1260-1335 75 days being a "little" season. Season being 90 days.
    The four creatures are NOT Lion, Bear, Leopard, Beast, so that also falls apart as a claim.
    As Dan 12 1335 days was fulfilled more than 2000 years ago (in the time of Maccabees) then that is also a false connection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Understand angels are spirits which can indwell flesh. Thus these four in heaven can appear as 4 physical kings on earth at a different time.
    So you're talking about demon-possessed kings, like Hitler?

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    Re: origin of the 7 sealed scroll?

    Now that I'm looking at this scroll vision a little differently, considering a brother's view that this is an independent vision, I have to reevaluate. If indeed the 7 trumpets are a separate vision, and the scroll vision stands on its own, I think it's fair to emphasize the fact the scroll represents the unveiling of the end of the age, the 2nd Coming of Christ.

    It makes sense to see the 6th and 7th seals as unveiling the coming of the Millennial Kingdom, because in the 6th seal we see the Day of Christ's wrath. This would make the sealing of the 144,000 Israelites as critical, in the sense that they facilitate the conversion of national Israel at the return of the Lord. Unless they stand in for unbelieving Israel, God may destroy all Israel! But because there are "good grapes on the cluster," God preserves Israel until He sends His Son to save the nation. And then the 144,000 will represent the glorified rulers over Israel during the Millennium. We don't actually read that, but it makes sense to me.

    Also, the Great Multitude from all nations coming out of the Tribulation would then likely appear at the 2nd Coming of Christ, since the scroll vision is revealing the coming of the Kingdom itself. Along with the 144,000 these Christian saints from all nations appear as future rulers over the Millennial Kingdom, halting the operations of Satan in that final era of the old age.

    The silence in heaven for a half hour at the 7th seal then represents the unknown time of Christ's return. The earthquakes and thundering and lightnings all sound very much like apocalyptic events surrounding the return of Christ. The fact prayers go up indicate that the saints have been praying for this moment. The continuation of the vision on to the 7 Trumpets vision is simply a continuation of the revelation of what Christ's Coming will entail. It may be a repetition of the endtimes period that lead up to Christ's Coming, with an emphasis on the final judgments against ungodly mankind.

    This scroll, in this interpretation, likely refers back to the scroll of Daniel in 12.4, which had been sealed in the OT era. And this is because the revelation awaited the work of Christ in enabling Man to inherit the Kingdom of God. Now that we have been redeemed, the Kingdom of God can come so that we may inherit it. And in due time, those who oppose God's will will be crushed.

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