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    How do you suppose Christ will return?

    In the flesh or in the spirit?

    When Jesus ministered he only went through Israel. One must not forget that it was the spirit of the Lord that converted Paul.

    Its not like God came through a loud speaker to the people and everyone heard his voice in the sky. He came through Moses and the beautiful part about that is that Aaron and the rest of the Jews heard God as well. We are all gifted with a telepathic ability that we must cultivate for it is the spirit of the Lord that connects us all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickm727 View Post
    In the flesh or in the spirit?

    When Jesus ministered he only went through Israel. One must not forget that it was the spirit of the Lord that converted Paul.

    Its not like God came through a loud speaker to the people and everyone heard his voice in the sky. He came through Moses and the beautiful part about that is that Aaron and the rest of the Jews heard God as well. We are all gifted with a telepathic ability that we must cultivate for it is the spirit of the Lord that connects us all.
    Both as He is both

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    He will physically come and every eye will behold Him.
    Some people don't mind contradicting themselves as long as they can keep disagreeing with you...

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    26 So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them.
    27 For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.


    Like a supernovae suddenly appearing.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    Rev. 1:12-16 "And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength."
    John 15:17 "These things I command you, that ye love one another."

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    First, I would ask which return you are asking about? I assume you are asking about the next appointed time, the first in-gathering of the first fruits.

    First, a prophet will arise to prepare the way before Him. John the Baptist, who is Elijah who is to come and will restore all things. The gospel will be preached to the ends of the earth, then the end will come.

    Immediately before His coming. The sun and moon will be darkened for three days. This will happen at a new moon when the moon is in eclipse. It will remain fixed in the sky for three days. God will also cover the sun with His hand so there will be no light at all to hit the earth. He will maintain the temperature on the earth at 55 degrees. Otherwise, we would freeze. He will also disable all communication equipment and electronics so that there is no where to turn but to Him. Then, the four spirits/winds of heaven will stir up the Great Sea and all the oceans. Tsunamis will begin to wipe out the coastlands all over the world. Jesus will raise the dead from the paradise division of Hades back to life upon the earth. The same four spirits of heaven, which are chariots and horsemen, will snatch up the faithful at the last moment. The faithful will see them. The unfaithful will only see tornadoes. Jesus, Himself, will be in a dark cloud during this time and only His people will be able to see Him. The unfaithful will only see the dark cloud, for this isn't the day of His "revealing."

    The four spirits/winds of heaven will carry the saints to meet Jesus in the air. There, they will also meet all the OT saints that were raised and raptured with Jesus 2000 years ago, for God will bring them with Him to the rapture of the church. Then, angels will escort the whole group to the gates of heaven. The procession is well arranged. First, the 24 elders will enter, followed by the singers and dancers, then all the people. The angels will roar and rejoice exceedingly over them. The hills will skip like rams and the mountains will leap like lambs. The trees will clap their branches over them. The song birds will sing them a new song. At the head of the flock is the Good Shepherd, Jesus Christ. He also, rejoicing exceedingly over them. Yes, them. The work of His hands. He will make them lie down in green pastures and rest, for they were counted worth to stand before Him in the day.

    The saints will enter as little children with much hugging and high-fiving, congratulating each other. There will be no more pain, suffering, or death. God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. All shame, guilt, and regret will be as ancient history and not remembered anymore. They will soar like eagles forevermore. Amen.

    First, I would ask which return you are asking about? I assume you are asking about the next appointed time, the first in-gathering of the first fruits.

    First, a prophet will arise to prepare the way before Him. John the Baptist, who is Elijah who is to come and will restore all things. The gospel will be preached to the ends of the earth, then the end will come.

    Immediately before His coming. The sun and moon will be darkened for three days. This will happen at a new moon when the moon is in eclipse. It will remain fixed in the sky for three days. God will also cover the sun with His hand so there will be no light at all to hit the earth. He will maintain the temperature on the earth at 55 degrees. Otherwise, we would freeze. He will also disable all communication equipment and electronics so that there is no where to turn but to Him. Then, the four spirits/winds of heaven will stir up the Great Sea and all the oceans. Tsunamis will begin to wipe out the coastlands all over the world. Jesus will raise the dead from the paradise division of Hades back to life upon the earth. The same four spirits of heaven, which are chariots and horsemen, will snatch up the faithful at the last moment. The faithful will see them. The unfaithful will only see tornadoes. Jesus, Himself, will be in a dark cloud during this time and only His people will be able to see Him. The unfaithful will only see the dark cloud, for this isn't the day of His "revealing."

    The four spirits/winds of heaven will carry the saints to meet Jesus in the air. There, they will also meet all the OT saints that were raised and raptured with Jesus 2000 years ago, for God will bring them with Him to the rapture of the church. Then, angels will escort the whole group to the gates of heaven. The procession is well arranged. First, the 24 elders will enter, followed by the singers and dancers, then all the people. The angels will roar and rejoice exceedingly over them. The hills will skip like rams and the mountains will leap like lambs. The trees will clap their branches over them. The song birds will sing them a new song. At the head of the flock is the Good Shepherd, Jesus Christ. He also, rejoicing exceedingly over them. Yes, them. The work of His hands. He will make them lie down in green pastures and rest, for they were counted worth to stand before Him in the day.

    The saints will enter as little children with much hugging and high-fiving, congratulating each other. There will be no more pain, suffering, or death. God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. All shame, guilt, and regret will be as ancient history and not remembered anymore. They will soar like eagles forevermore. Amen.

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    Re: How do you suppose Christ will return?

    Quote Originally Posted by nickm727 View Post
    In the flesh or in the spirit?

    When Jesus ministered he only went through Israel. One must not forget that it was the spirit of the Lord that converted Paul.

    Its not like God came through a loud speaker to the people and everyone heard his voice in the sky. He came through Moses and the beautiful part about that is that Aaron and the rest of the Jews heard God as well. We are all gifted with a telepathic ability that we must cultivate for it is the spirit of the Lord that connects us all.
    Jesus is, by definition, a man-God. Unless he is a man we cannot know him as Jesus. Since Jesus is also God the things that the Spirit does, by means of him, can be said to be the work of Jesus. For example, he won us redemption. When the Spirit brings redemption to us it is Jesus bringing redemption to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickm727 View Post
    In the flesh or in the spirit?

    When Jesus ministered he only went through Israel. One must not forget that it was the spirit of the Lord that converted Paul.

    Its not like God came through a loud speaker to the people and everyone heard his voice in the sky. He came through Moses and the beautiful part about that is that Aaron and the rest of the Jews heard God as well. We are all gifted with a telepathic ability that we must cultivate for it is the spirit of the Lord that connects us all.
    Physically... Jesus ascended physically... Acts 1 tells us he’s coming back in the same way...

    Act1:11 "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This SAME JESUS, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in SAME WAY as you saw Him go into heaven."

    Quote Originally Posted by nickm727 View Post
    In the flesh or in the spirit?

    When Jesus ministered he only went through Israel. One must not forget that it was the spirit of the Lord that converted Paul.

    Its not like God came through a loud speaker to the people and everyone heard his voice in the sky. He came through Moses and the beautiful part about that is that Aaron and the rest of the Jews heard God as well. We are all gifted with a telepathic ability that we must cultivate for it is the spirit of the Lord that connects us all.
    Physically... Jesus ascended physically... Acts 1 tells us he’s coming back in the same way...

    Act1:11 "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This SAME JESUS, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in SAME WAY as you saw Him go into heaven."

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickm727 View Post
    In the flesh or in the spirit?

    When Jesus ministered he only went through Israel. One must not forget that it was the spirit of the Lord that converted Paul.

    Its not like God came through a loud speaker to the people and everyone heard his voice in the sky. He came through Moses and the beautiful part about that is that Aaron and the rest of the Jews heard God as well. We are all gifted with a telepathic ability that we must cultivate for it is the spirit of the Lord that connects us all.
    Not sure anybody really answered the question...…

    He will return in a spiritual body, so not the natural body (flesh) of the earth.

    I Cor 15
    42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
    43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
    44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

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    Both bodies are flesh, one is a corruptible flesh and one is unincorruptible flesh. This is why Christ said he was not a bodiless spirit but had physical flesh which the disciples could touch. "spiritual body" does not mean it has no physical substance ie it's own type of physical flesh and bone.


    Luk_24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.



    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Not sure anybody really answered the question...…

    He will return in a spiritual body, so not the natural body (flesh) of the earth.

    I Cor 15
    42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
    43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
    44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Not sure anybody really answered the question...…

    He will return in a spiritual body, so not the natural body (flesh) of the earth.

    I Cor 15
    42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
    43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
    44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
    A spiritual body is not the opposite of a natural body. It is a super-natural body. It is a natural body with spiritual dimensions. The first man was a natural being energized by the life of God's Spirit. Inasmuch as that body was corrupted, a new spiritual body has to be made, through resurrection.

    The natural body was contaminated. The spiritual body will be uncontaminated, but it will be a physical body, because *it will be resurrected.* A resurrected body is, by definition, physical.

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    Re: How do you suppose Christ will return?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Not sure anybody really answered the question...…

    He will return in a spiritual body, so not the natural body (flesh) of the earth.

    I Cor 15
    42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
    43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
    44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
    The word "spiritual" in the Bible is an adjective and means one of two things:
    1. It is spirit in SUBSTANCE. God is a Spirit, that is He is off Spirit-Substance. A man is a SOUL and his body is dust-substance. To contact God and give Him an adequate dwelling, a man has a spirit. It is here, in the human spirit, that God, a Spirit, dwells and communicates with that man (Jn.4:24)
    2. It has its ORIGIN in the Holy Spirit. In Romans 1:11 Paul says; "For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established". That is, the gift is NOT a spirit, but it has its ORIGIN in the Holy Spirit.

    In regard to resurrection, point #2 is applicable. The resurrected body of a man is still flesh and bones in SUBSTANCE, but it has its ORIGIN, not in the womb but the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:11 and 2nd Corinthians 5:1 severally tell of the ORIGIN of the resurrected body:
    11 "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."
    1 "For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

    2nd Corinthians 5:5 and Ephesians 1:13-14 go on to show that the rebirth of a man, which infuses the Spirit of God into the spirit of the man (Jn.3:6), is the guarantee of a future resurrection by this same Spirit.
    • 5 "Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit."
    • 13 "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
    14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."

    If there remains any doubt then compare 1st John 3:2 and Luke 24:39;
    2 "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."
    39 "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."

    Christ, in resurrection, was "flesh and bones", and we will be "like Him" when we see Him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    Both bodies are flesh, one is a corruptible flesh and one is unincorruptible flesh. This is why Christ said he was not a bodiless spirit but had physical flesh which the disciples could touch. "spiritual body" does not mean it has no physical substance ie it's own type of physical flesh and bone.


    Luk_24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
    I never said it was not physical

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    A spiritual body is not the opposite of a natural body. It is a super-natural body. It is a natural body with spiritual dimensions. The first man was a natural being energized by the life of God's Spirit. Inasmuch as that body was corrupted, a new spiritual body has to be made, through resurrection.

    The natural body was contaminated. The spiritual body will be uncontaminated, but it will be a physical body, because *it will be resurrected.* A resurrected body is, by definition, physical.
    Could a spiritual body be bloodless? Not need blood to operate? For blood is the contamination making it corruptible. Thus flesh minus blood.

    Jesus had no corruption within him, spotless his blood was precious pure no decay. Thus he would have never died and had to take the sins of others voluntarily upon him to be able to die

    50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.


    Perhaps flesh can but not blood....

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