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    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    I think that pundit was speaking about the USSR, which at the time included a number of Muslim states, which are no longer part of it. There are a few autonomous regions, but there is no way for this to be true now.
    The percentage Muslim is 6.5%, however unlike in other countries the majority of these are unaffiliated with any branch of Islam, and only 2.4 million are affiliated as Sunni making 1.6%.

    In the USA the percentage is presently less at 1.1%, but is expected to more than double by 2050.

    However I do not see Russia as part of a Gog war.
    A Gog war that doesn't include Russia?

    IMO, the princes of Meschek and Tubal ARE Russia as Tubol is the name of the region in Russia that is drained by the Tubol River, and Meshek is the Meschetti region where Turkey and Russia meet, different spellings notwithstanding.
    JER 14:13 Then said I: 'Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them: Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place.'
    JER 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me: 'The prophets prophesy lies in My name; I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spoke I unto them; they prophesy unto you a lying vision, and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their own heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddyv View Post
    Why do you think that the north magnetic poles would have anything to do with the weather in Russia?
    It occured to me that the Magnetic Polls, if positiioned correctly, would tip the earth enough to turn Russia into a frozen wasteland, necessitating the relocation of the Russian Government.

    I secretly have a desire to grow oranges and avacodoes in Saskatoon, as well. Lol!
    JER 14:13 Then said I: 'Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them: Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place.'
    JER 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me: 'The prophets prophesy lies in My name; I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spoke I unto them; they prophesy unto you a lying vision, and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their own heart.

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    Re: Hooks In Their Jaws: God Brings Gog And Magog To The Mid-East

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    I wish you would all use scripture to interpret prophesy not science, false teachers, or CNN.

    Gog is not Russia. (and there is no Russian collusion ).

    The reason why Russia is not Gog is at the time of these events Russia does not exist!!!

    Prior to these events the cities of the world have been destroyed and the world is a wilderness.

    7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

    16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
    17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

    3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

    Is Russia and the USA around when Christ returns? No, so neither will they when the AntiChrist returns.

    So who are the hooks drawing out? Satan not Putin.

    Job 41
    1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?
    31 He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment.
    32 He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary.
    33 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.
    34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.
    Well, without regard for what you have worked out in the scenario you support, I am always on the lookout for possible effects that could affect prophecy.

    No offfense, of course.

    I believe that Putin is one of Satan's representatives on the earth, and, therefore, will be the one that is drawn out.

    I believe that the "wounded head" of the first beast has already blasphemed God, on TV no less, and I await the second beast's advocation for a memorial or statue to the first beast.
    JER 14:13 Then said I: 'Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them: Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place.'
    JER 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me: 'The prophets prophesy lies in My name; I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spoke I unto them; they prophesy unto you a lying vision, and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their own heart.

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    Re: Hooks In Their Jaws: God Brings Gog And Magog To The Mid-East

    Quote Originally Posted by dan View Post
    A Gog war that doesn't include Russia?
    IMO, the princes of Meschek and Tubal ARE Russia as Tubol is the name of the region in Russia that is drained by the Tubol River, and Meshek is the Meschetti region where Turkey and Russia meet, different spellings notwithstanding.
    There are a people called the Meshkettian Turks.
    However the Turks entered this region 1,000 years after Jesus came and died for us.
    Tubal is not Tubol - where is the "Tubol River"?
    Tubal is thought to be in Asia Minor and next to Meschech (also in Asia Minor).

    Some (following Jerome) have them as either meaning Spain, or the Tiber River, which would be Rome and Campania.

    The question is where was the place meaning when the prophecy was given. It certainly was not Russia or anywhere near there.
    The almost certain region is what you know as modern Turkey, but was then Asia Minor.

    Quote Originally Posted by dan View Post
    A Gog war that doesn't include Russia?
    IMO, the princes of Meschek and Tubal ARE Russia as Tubol is the name of the region in Russia that is drained by the Tubol River, and Meshek is the Meschetti region where Turkey and Russia meet, different spellings notwithstanding.
    There are a people called the Meshkettian Turks.
    However the Turks entered this region 1,000 years after Jesus came and died for us.
    Tubal is not Tubol - where is the "Tubol River"?
    Tubal is thought to be in Asia Minor and next to Meschech (also in Asia Minor).

    Some (following Jerome) have them as either meaning Spain, or the Tiber River, which would be Rome and Campania.

    The question is where was the place meaning when the prophecy was given. It certainly was not Russia or anywhere near there.
    The almost certain region is what you know as modern Turkey, but was then Asia Minor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    There are a people called the Meshkettian Turks.
    However the Turks entered this region 1,000 years after Jesus came and died for us.
    Tubal is not Tubol - where is the "Tubol River"?
    Tubal is thought to be in Asia Minor and next to Meschech (also in Asia Minor).

    Some (following Jerome) have them as either meaning Spain, or the Tiber River, which would be Rome and Campania.

    The question is where was the place meaning when the prophecy was given. It certainly was not Russia or anywhere near there.
    The almost certain region is what you know as modern Turkey, but was then Asia Minor.


    There are a people called the Meshkettian Turks.
    However the Turks entered this region 1,000 years after Jesus came and died for us.
    Tubal is not Tubol - where is the "Tubol River"?
    Tubal is thought to be in Asia Minor and next to Meschech (also in Asia Minor).

    Some (following Jerome) have them as either meaning Spain, or the Tiber River, which would be Rome and Campania.

    The question is where was the place meaning when the prophecy was given. It certainly was not Russia or anywhere near there.
    The almost certain region is what you know as modern Turkey, but was then Asia Minor.
    Hmmm, the Russian flag matches the description in another prophecy, and Russia has been the greatest benefactor for weapons that the Muslims have ever had since 1960, so I'll stick with them for now. Well, thanks for that advice, but, unless you can prove tha t God doesn't know the future, I think I'll keep going down this trail until I have to depart from it.

    Keep watchin'.
    JER 14:13 Then said I: 'Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them: Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place.'
    JER 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me: 'The prophets prophesy lies in My name; I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spoke I unto them; they prophesy unto you a lying vision, and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their own heart.

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    Re: Hooks In Their Jaws: God Brings Gog And Magog To The Mid-East

    Quote Originally Posted by dan View Post
    Hmmm, the Russian flag matches the description in another prophecy, and Russia has been the greatest benefactor for weapons that the Muslims have ever had since 1960, so I'll stick with them for now. Well, thanks for that advice, but, unless you can prove tha t God doesn't know the future, I think I'll keep going down this trail until I have to depart from it.

    Keep watchin'.
    Since 1960, so really a long time? The Muslims conquered ALL of their territory BEFORE 1960.

    God clearly knows the future, but He stated things with terms that people could understand.

    If you mean the Russian flag matches this:
    Rev 9:17 And this is how I saw the horses in my vision and those who rode them: they wore breastplates the color of fire and of sapphire and of sulfur, and the heads of the horses were like lions’ heads, and fire and smoke and sulfur came out of their mouths.

    Then you have a serious problem.
    This is sometimes noted as Red, Blue and Yellow, but the Russian flag, like that of the US and the UK is Red, White and Blue. These colours are found on the Romanian flag:
    shutterstock-624905258.jpg

    This is why Tim LeHaye has the AntiChrist as a Romanian. Also because Romanians are descendants of Rome, who most consider the Legs of Iron.

    However with God knowing the future, I am pretty certain He knew what He meant when He said Tubal and Meshech. Did you know that Istanbul was called Constantinople and it is found on 7 hills, and sits on many waters. It was also the place where the Church and State were united under the Pontifex Maximus.

    Quote Originally Posted by dan View Post
    Hmmm, the Russian flag matches the description in another prophecy, and Russia has been the greatest benefactor for weapons that the Muslims have ever had since 1960, so I'll stick with them for now. Well, thanks for that advice, but, unless you can prove tha t God doesn't know the future, I think I'll keep going down this trail until I have to depart from it.

    Keep watchin'.
    Since 1960, so really a long time? The Muslims conquered ALL of their territory BEFORE 1960.

    God clearly knows the future, but He stated things with terms that people could understand.

    If you mean the Russian flag matches this:
    Rev 9:17 And this is how I saw the horses in my vision and those who rode them: they wore breastplates the color of fire and of sapphire and of sulfur, and the heads of the horses were like lions’ heads, and fire and smoke and sulfur came out of their mouths.

    Then you have a serious problem.
    This is sometimes noted as Red, Blue and Yellow, but the Russian flag, like that of the US and the UK is Red, White and Blue. These colours are found on the Romanian flag:
    shutterstock-624905258.jpg

    This is why Tim LeHaye has the AntiChrist as a Romanian. Also because Romanians are descendants of Rome, who most consider the Legs of Iron.

    However with God knowing the future, I am pretty certain He knew what He meant when He said Tubal and Meshech. Did you know that Istanbul was called Constantinople and it is found on 7 hills, and sits on many waters. It was also the place where the Church and State were united under the Pontifex Maximus.

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    Re: Hooks In Their Jaws: God Brings Gog And Magog To The Mid-East

    Quote Originally Posted by dan View Post
    It occured to me that the Magnetic Polls, if positiioned correctly, would tip the earth enough to turn Russia into a frozen wasteland, necessitating the relocation of the Russian Government.
    Magnetic poles are different than the more or less fixed geographic poles. They have no bearing on the tilt of the earth's axis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    Since 1960, so really a long time? The Muslims conquered ALL of their territory BEFORE 1960.
    Oh, does that mean that you believe that all Muslims have given up on conquering any more territory? If so, I feel you are in for a great disappointment.

    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    God clearly knows the future, but He stated things with terms that people could understand.
    And different people understand things in different ways. I'm content, so far, to see what happens and to judge from that point on.

    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    If you mean the Russian flag matches this:
    Rev 9:17 And this is how I saw the horses in my vision and those who rode them: they wore breastplates the color of fire and of sapphire and of sulfur, and the heads of the horses were like lions’ heads, and fire and smoke and sulfur came out of their mouths.

    Then you have a serious problem.
    This is sometimes noted as Red, Blue and Yellow, but the Russian flag, like that of the US and the UK is Red, White and Blue. These colours are found on the Romanian flag:
    shutterstock-624905258.jpg

    This is why Tim LeHaye has the AntiChrist as a Romanian. Also because Romanians are descendants of Rome, who most consider the Legs of Iron.
    Interesting, I'll keep that in mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    However with God knowing the future, I am pretty certain He knew what He meant when He said Tubal and Meshech. Did you know that Istanbul was called Constantinople and it is found on 7 hills, and sits on many waters. It was also the place where the Church and State were united under the Pontifex Maximus.
    Did you know that Japeth, son of Noah named two rivers after two of his sons, Tiras and Tubol? The Tiras River is now known as the Dniester, I believe, but the Tobol is still there, in Russia.
    JER 14:13 Then said I: 'Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them: Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place.'
    JER 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me: 'The prophets prophesy lies in My name; I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spoke I unto them; they prophesy unto you a lying vision, and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their own heart.

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    Re: Hooks In Their Jaws: God Brings Gog And Magog To The Mid-East

    Quote Originally Posted by dan View Post
    Oh, does that mean that you believe that all Muslims have given up on conquering any more territory? If so, I feel you are in for a great disappointment.
    My point was about Russia, however what territory has a Muslim state conquered since 1960?

    Did you know that Japeth, son of Noah named two rivers after two of his sons, Tiras and Tubol? The Tiras River is now known as the Dniester, I believe, but the Tobol is still there, in Russia.
    Where in the Bible does Japheth name two rivers?
    His sons were listed in Gen 10:2
    Gen 10:2* The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.

    Now there is a son called Tubal, which is associated with Cappadocia. It is slightly similar with Tobol, which was called Tobyl before the Russians put it into their language. There is no hostoric nor Biblical connection with the son of Japheth with this region.
    As for Tiras, some think this was the root of the Thracians, who were to the south of the Dniestre River. However there are Ancient Greek sources supporting this idea. This river marked in many ways the furthest extent of the Ottoman Empire.

    Quote Originally Posted by dan View Post
    Oh, does that mean that you believe that all Muslims have given up on conquering any more territory? If so, I feel you are in for a great disappointment.
    My point was about Russia, however what territory has a Muslim state conquered since 1960?

    Did you know that Japeth, son of Noah named two rivers after two of his sons, Tiras and Tubol? The Tiras River is now known as the Dniester, I believe, but the Tobol is still there, in Russia.
    Where in the Bible does Japheth name two rivers?
    His sons were listed in Gen 10:2
    Gen 10:2* The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.

    Now there is a son called Tubal, which is associated with Cappadocia. It is slightly similar with Tobol, which was called Tobyl before the Russians put it into their language. There is no hostoric nor Biblical connection with the son of Japheth with this region.
    As for Tiras, some think this was the root of the Thracians, who were to the south of the Dniestre River. However there are Ancient Greek sources supporting this idea. This river marked in many ways the furthest extent of the Ottoman Empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    My point was about Russia, however what territory has a Muslim state conquered since 1960?
    1960 is just the year of Russia's OVERT support for Islamic Terror, nothing more.

    Russia's purpose was to subvert and possibly destroy NATO, according to some in the CIA.

    As only 5 of NATO's 28 member nations are keeping up their payments of their dues, it appears they may have succeeded.

    if one wished to find what countries have converted to Islam, compare the CIA's assessment in the 1960 Factbook to the 2018 version.

    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisGlory,3508515
    Where in the Bible does Japheth name two rivers?
    His sons were listed in Gen 10:2
    Gen 10:2* The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.

    Now there is a son called Tubal, which is associated with Cappadocia. It is slightly similar with Tobol, which was called Tobyl before the Russians put it into their language. There is no hostoric nor Biblical connection with the son of Japheth with this region.
    As for Tiras, some think this was the root of the Thracians, who were to the south of the Dniestre River. However there are Ancient Greek sources supporting this idea. This river marked in many ways the furthest extent of the Ottoman Empire.
    Well, gee, since you admit that their are references to this by the Greeks, my work here is done.
    JER 14:13 Then said I: 'Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them: Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place.'
    JER 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me: 'The prophets prophesy lies in My name; I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spoke I unto them; they prophesy unto you a lying vision, and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their own heart.

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    Re: Hooks In Their Jaws: God Brings Gog And Magog To The Mid-East

    Quote Originally Posted by dan View Post
    1960 is just the year of Russia's OVERT support for Islamic Terror, nothing more.
    Russia's purpose was to subvert and possibly destroy NATO, according to some in the CIA.
    As only 5 of NATO's 28 member nations are keeping up their payments of their dues, it appears they may have succeeded.
    if one wished to find what countries have converted to Islam, compare the CIA's assessment in the 1960 Factbook to the 2018 version.
    That is because prior to 1960 Russia, though called a Communist state, was still really an Orthodox one.
    Russia didn't destroy NATO.

    There is an interesting prophecy by someone from BEFORE Russia became a communist country, and dates back I think to 1897.
    The prophecy SPECIFICALLY was about what was going to happen in Turkey and that the Armenians should leave.
    An end point to the prophecy was about God raising up Russia as a Christian nation.

    It is noted in the information regarding the Four Square Gospel and Pentecostalism BEFORE Azuza Street.

    Well, gee, since you admit that their are references to this by the Greeks, my work here is done.
    Only the one reference is about Tiras, the other about Tubal doesn't place it where you do, but also in what we call Turkey.
    BOTH references then connected to Turkey hegemony and NOT Russian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    That is because prior to 1960 Russia, though called a Communist state, was still really an Orthodox one.
    Really? With Lenin murdering 60,000 of the church's clergy? And Stalin murdering 30,000 more?

    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    Russia didn't destroy NATO.
    Terrorism aint over yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    Only the one reference is about Tiras, the other about Tubal doesn't place it where you do, but also in what we call Turkey.
    BOTH references then connected to Turkey hegemony and NOT Russian.
    Meshec is also in Turkey. In a place on the Russian Turkish border that has seen several turnovers between the two.

    I'll reserve judgment on Tubol until I see more evidence, but until then it's the river east of the Ural Mountains in Russia, on which sits Kurgan and Tobolsk.
    JER 14:13 Then said I: 'Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them: Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place.'
    JER 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me: 'The prophets prophesy lies in My name; I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spoke I unto them; they prophesy unto you a lying vision, and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their own heart.

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    Re: Hooks In Their Jaws: God Brings Gog And Magog To The Mid-East

    Quote Originally Posted by dan View Post
    As we speak, the Magnetic Nortth Pole is moving at a modest 55 kilometers per year toward Russia. If this were to continue long enough, Lake Baikal could become, conceiveably, the Magnetic North Pole. Would Russia be able to (pardon the pun) weather it? Or, would Russia become a frozen wasteland? It's military and government forced to move south, and occupy Syria?
    The prophecy of Gog and Magog has long been troublesome for me. I would say that it takes place at the end of the Millennium, as Rev 20 indicates. However, this prophecy in Eze 38-39 speaks of the enlightenment of Israel, which takes place at Christ's 2nd Coming.

    So, I think there are 2 parts to the Gog prophecy, the invasion just before Christ's Coming, and the invasion at the end of the Millennium. Who are these people? I think they could be the Russians. But I also think they could be the Asians, who presently have coalesced in Islam against the Christian West. I remain open...

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