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    Do anyone receive immortality at the GWTJ?

    Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
    12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    GWTJ is meaning great white throne judgment, in case some are not familiar with that abbreviation.


    The book of life is mentioned. The book of life obviously involves those who will put on immortality. But at this judgment, it being opened, is the reason in order that some standing there will put on immortality at the time? For the sake of argument, let's say it is. What about the following then?

    1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
    14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
    15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
    18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

    Don't these put on immortality once the dead in Christ rise first, and when we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord? What of any of that matches with anything seen in Revelation 20:11-15 though?

    1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

    1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
    55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
    56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
    57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.


    Does the judgment seen in Revelation 20:11-15 involve, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed? Let's say it does. What about those still alive when Christ returns? How do they physically die in order to be resurrected from the dead so that they too can be standing in front of God at the GWTJ?

    Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    Which group below would any of these be standing in at the GWTJ?

    And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God

    the sea gave up the dead which were in it

    death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them


    So how do any of the dead put on immortality at the GWTJ if none of it involves 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 nor 1 Corinthians 15:51-57? What other Scriptures would prove that some put on immortality at the GWTJ? One of the reasons it is assumed some do is because the book of life is opened at this judgment. But if some at this judgment put on immortality at this judgment, and that others have already put on immortality prior to this judgment, thus Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-57, why didn't the former simply put on immortality at the last trump like some others do?

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    Re: Do anyone receive immortality at the GWTJ?

    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    Don't these put on immortality once the dead in Christ rise first, and when we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord?

    What of any of that matches with anything seen in Revelation 20:11-15 though
    Jesus said he will come with his reward and judge all according to their deeds.

    Rev 22
    12 “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.
    13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

    14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.
    15 Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.



    This is what the GWT is all about, judging every man according to their deeds.

    If your name is in the book of life you get the reward.

    2thess 1 matches rev 20:11-15. We marvel at the reward while the ungodly are eternally separated.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Re: Do anyone receive immortality at the GWTJ?

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post

    2thess 1 matches rev 20:11-15. We marvel at the reward while the ungodly are eternally separated.
    Show how 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-57 also match Rev 20:11-15. Especially in regards to those who are still physically alive when Christ returns at the last trump. How do they end up at the GWTJ when that judgment only involves those that have been raised from the dead.

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    Re: Do anyone receive immortality at the GWTJ?

    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    Show how 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-57 also match Rev 20:11-15. Especially in regards to those who are still physically alive when Christ returns at the last trump. How do they end up at the GWTJ when that judgment only involves those that have been raised from the dead.
    How long does it take for the dead in Christ to appear glorified. The living also are changed in a twinkling of an eye.

    Heb 9 teaches us that it is appointed for all men to die once and then comes the judgment. So the living at Christs coming die in that twinkling of an eye to put on the resurrection body.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    How long does it take for the dead in Christ to appear glorified. The living also are changed in a twinkling of an eye.

    Heb 9 teaches us that it is appointed for all men to die once and then comes the judgment. So the living at Christs coming die in that twinkling of an eye to put on the resurrection body.
    At the GWTJ, according to the text the following are all of the groups who will be present.

    the dead, small and great

    the sea gave up the dead which were in it

    death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them


    1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    These in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, which group above at the GWTJ will they be standing in and among? And how do they get there since the text in Rev 20 indicates it is only those who are raised from the dead who will be at that judgment? And if they are changed in a twinkling of an eye, which means they can never be mortal again, thus they can never die for forever at that point, how do they still somehow show up among the dead at the GWTJ? Once again, how do they get there?

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    Re: Do anyone receive immortality at the GWTJ?

    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    At the GWTJ, according to the text the following are all of the groups who will be present.

    the dead, small and great

    the sea gave up the dead which were in it

    death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them


    1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    These in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, which group above at the GWTJ will they be standing in and among? And how do they get there since the text in Rev 20 indicates it is only those who are raised from the dead who will be at that judgment? And if they are changed in a twinkling of an eye, which means they can never be mortal again, thus they can never die for forever at that point, how do they still somehow show up among the dead at the GWTJ? Once again, how do they get there?
    Jesus gathers us there at his coming. He has the living and the dead gathered before him, and placed at his right or his left.

    2Tim 4

    I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:
    2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
    3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
    5 But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry
    6 For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come.
    7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith;
    8 in the future there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day; and not only to me, but also to all who have loved His appearing.


    I understand the above verses to be saying that the Lord will judge the living and the dead when he appears.
    When he appears the righteous , whether living or dead , are rewarded with a glorious crown.
    As for the unrighteous living and dead, they will have to give account for their rejection of God and his saving Gospel....,


    1Pet 4
    4 In all this, they are surprised that you do not run with them into the same excesses of dissipation, and they malign you; 5 but they will give account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
    6 For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead, that though they are judged in the flesh as men, they may live in the spirit according to the will of God.
    7 The end of all things is near; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer. 8 Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins. 9 Be hospitable to one another without complaint.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Re: Do anyone receive immortality at the GWTJ?

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    Jesus said he will come with his reward and judge all according to their deeds.

    This is what the GWT is all about, judging every man according to their deeds.

    If your name is in the book of life you get the reward.



    We are all judged at the GWT even the saved. Thus the reason the BOL is present for the "roll call"

    Heb 9 teaches us that it is appointed for all men to die once and then comes the judgment. So the living at Christs coming die in that twinkling of an eye to put on the resurrection body.
    Is it possible those whom are Christ's have died before this? How do those survive not taking the mark for starters.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    At the GWTJ, according to the text the following are all of the groups who will be present.

    the dead, small and great

    the sea gave up the dead which were in it

    death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them


    1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    These in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, which group above at the GWTJ will they be standing in and among? And how do they get there since the text in Rev 20 indicates it is only those who are raised from the dead who will be at that judgment? And if they are changed in a twinkling of an eye, which means they can never be mortal again, thus they can never die for forever at that point, how do they still somehow show up among the dead at the GWTJ? Once again, how do they get there?
    Paul fills in some details in his prophecy of 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, which is all about the GWTJ.
    Those alive at that time; if their names are Written in the Book of Life; will receive an instant transformation into immortality.

    The Prophetic Word is clear; no one receives immortality until the GWTJ. Only then is Death no more. Revelation 21:4b
    Interestingly; the prophecy in Revelation 7, which shows God's people on earth soon after the Lord's Day of wrath, goes on in verses 15-17 to describe Eternity. It will be those people who have washed in the Blood of the Lamb, whom God will wipe away every tear...
    Paralleled by Revelation 21:4a

    But do not confuse 1 Thess 4:17 with the GWTJ, as that prophecy is about the glorious Return, where those who have maintained their faith in God, will be transported to where He is for His Millennium reign on earth. They will be mainly those faithful people who were taken to a place of safety during the Great Trib period of 42 month, exactly 1260 days. Revelation 12:14 Confirmed by Matthew 24:30-31

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    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    Especially in regards to those who are still physically alive when Christ returns at the last trump. How do they end up at the GWTJ when that judgment only involves those that have been raised from the dead.
    Hello...…because

    THERE IS NO ONE PHYSICALLY ALIVE ON EARTH AFTER THE 2ND COMING.

    Show how 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-57 also match Rev 20:11-15.
    Again the "alive and Remain" are those dead in Christ resurrected. We are made "alive" FROM THE DEAD.

    I Cor 15
    21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
    22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

    See the dead resurrected being made alive. When he returns.

    I Thess 4
    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    Paul fills in some details in his prophecy of 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, which is all about the GWTJ.
    Those alive at that time; if their names are Written in the Book of Life; will receive an instant transformation into immortality.
    Why do you think those in I Cor 15:50-56 are alive living on the earth? Can't they be transformed from the grave unto life? MADE ALIVE!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    Jesus gathers us there at his coming. He has the living and the dead gathered before him, and placed at his right or his left.

    2Tim 4
    I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:
    When Jesus Returns, He will judge the nations, not individuals. Matthew 25:31-33

    Pauls prophecy it 2 Timothy 4:1, says:..... and His Kingdom. So it will be AFTER the Millennium reign that the Judgment of every individual takes place. Even Revelation 20:4a, which mentions the final Judgment, does not say it happens at the Return, but as verses 7-15 tell us: When the thousand years has ended......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    When Jesus Returns, He will judge the nations, not individuals. Matthew 25:31-33

    Pauls prophecy it 2 Timothy 4:1, says:..... and His Kingdom. So it will be AFTER the Millennium reign that the Judgment of every individual takes place. Even Revelation 20:4a, which mentions the final Judgment, does not say it happens at the Return, but as verses 7-15 tell us: When the thousand years has ended......
    Those of the "nations" are the resurrected dead not living on the earth in Matt 25. Where does it say they are living and gathered on the earth?

    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Why do you think those in I Cor 15:50-56 are alive living on the earth? Can't they be transformed from the grave unto life? MADE ALIVE!!!!
    I think that because Paul says they are; verse 54.
    Your idea that no one is alive at Jesus' Return, conflicts with all the prophesies about that glorious Day.
    It is the Sixth Seal, the next prophesied event, that will decimate mankind. Many will die on that terrible Day, NOT to be confused with the Great Day of Almighty God. Revelation 16:14

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    When Jesus Returns, He will judge the nations, not individuals. Matthew 25:31-33
    What happens to those individuals who are left over after the judgment that comes upon all mankind nations at his coming?


    Matt 25
    34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

    A return to Eden with no manner of wickedness.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Re: Do anyone receive immortality at the GWTJ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Those of the "nations" are the resurrected dead not living on the earth in Matt 25. Where does it say they are living and gathered on the earth?

    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
    Matthew 23 is plainly an earthly event. It happens when He comes in glory.....

    But for those who think the people John sees in Revelation 7:9 are in heaven, they are quite wrong as all of that Chapter describes earthly scenes. As set by verses 1-3.

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