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    Quote Originally Posted by hobie View Post

    In the day of the Apostle John, the city of Rome was famed for its situation of encompassing seven hills
    It actually has at least ten hills:

    Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus; Italian, Aventino)
    Caelian Hill (CŠlius, Celio)
    Capitoline Hill (Capitolinus, Campidoglio)
    Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)
    Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)
    Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)
    Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)
    Vatican Hill (Latin Collis Vaticanus)
    Pincian Hill (Latin Mons Pincius)
    Janiculum Hill (Latin Ianiculum)

    So, does not match the beast with 7 heads/mountains/hills



    hills of Rome not 7.jpg
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    The 500th Anniversary of Protestantism celebration seems to be geared to ending the Protestantism and re-establishing one, papal led, religion.

    Towards Unity
    Ecumenical Dialogue
    500 Years
    After the Reformation

    (Here's the amazing write up on the book.)

    “This year we commemorate the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation. It is significant, and a sign of the times, that a Roman Catholic publisher has published Towards Unity: Ecumenical Dialogue 500 Years after the Reformation, Since the Reformation, Christian unity has suffered many failures. Yet, especially in more recent times, it has also celebrated encouraging successes. Disparate Christian traditions are beginning to trust each other. Will Christians eventually find one shared identity? On the eve of the 500th anniversary of the Reformation, this timely collection of essays by prominent Catholic and Protestant ecumenists witnesses a hope for a future Christian unity born out of 50 years of honest and genuine dialogue. Discerning, and clearly written, this book will appeal not only to academics, and ecumenists, but to all Christians who, reflecting on the conflicts borne of the Reformation, have come to believe that divisions among Christians go against the mind of Christ.”

    But there are Catholic books that go beyond bringing Protestantism back "into their fold" a unity with non Christian religions.

    The book has inside titles such as:
    Christians and Muslims Together; Creating a culture of Peace
    Mary as a sign for the world according to Muslims.

    What is revealing the theme: Let's dialogue and find the points upon which we can agree, and move ahead together toward "that transcendent goal that God has set for us."

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    It actually has at least ten hills:

    Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus; Italian, Aventino)
    Caelian Hill (CŠlius, Celio)
    Capitoline Hill (Capitolinus, Campidoglio)
    Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)
    Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)
    Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)
    Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)
    Vatican Hill (Latin Collis Vaticanus)
    Pincian Hill (Latin Mons Pincius)
    Janiculum Hill (Latin Ianiculum)

    So, does not match the beast with 7 heads/mountains/hills



    hills of Rome not 7.jpg
    Historically everyone knows it... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_hills_of_Rome

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    In the Bible the symbol of a woman represents the church.

    I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman. Jeremiah 6:2

    Isaiah the prophet extends the symbol of a woman to that of a bride. The pure bride represents the pure church:

    As the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee. Isaiah 62:5.

    Turning to the New Testament the same symbolism is employed:

    ...for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:2

    Babylon is described in Revelation 17:5 as the 'mother of harlots' basically a apostate religious systems or church.

    And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth. Revelation 17:5

    Obviously if God's people are the chaste woman faithful to her husband, then Babylon is the opposite of this symbol or that system of worship which is unfaithful to God, and has a mystery religion and teaches and practices abominations.

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    Re: Who and what is the Babylon of Revelation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    It actually has at least ten hills:

    Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus; Italian, Aventino)
    Caelian Hill (CŠlius, Celio)
    Capitoline Hill (Capitolinus, Campidoglio)
    Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)
    Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)
    Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)
    Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)
    Vatican Hill (Latin Collis Vaticanus)
    Pincian Hill (Latin Mons Pincius)
    Janiculum Hill (Latin Ianiculum)

    So, does not match the beast with 7 heads/mountains/hills



    hills of Rome not 7.jpg
    Hmm that didn't post right..but the historic center of Rome was built on seven hills and has been known since ancient times as the “City of Seven Hills.” The phrase “seven mountains on which the woman sitteth” also serves to link the “woman” with the city of Rome, although many have tried to put it to Jerusalem. Yet Jerusalem does not fit the many other clues that clearly show the apostate power that came from the Roman Empire just as prophecy said, and persecuted and killed innumerable people because of their beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hobie View Post
    Hmm that didn't post right..but the historic center of Rome was built on seven hills and has been known since ancient times as the “City of Seven Hills.”
    And who are the ten kings/kingdoms that are the horns on the heads/mountains/hills? You are describing one kingdom on 7 hills but the beast the whore rides upon has ten kingdoms upon 7 mountains/hills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobie View Post
    In the Bible the symbol of a woman represents the church.
    Not accurate. The symbol of a woman is a city in which people reside.

    Rev 17
    18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

    I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman. Jeremiah 6:2
    The daughter of Zion is a city.

    IS 1
    8 And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.

    Isaiah the prophet extends the symbol of a woman to that of a bride. The pure bride represents the pure church:

    As the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee. Isaiah 62:5.
    This verse actually states those whom he speaks is NOT the bride.

    Babylon is described in Revelation 17:5 as the 'mother of harlots' basically a apostate religious systems or church.
    No religious "system". I know this is what they teach. The woman is a city to be likened unto the city of God. ie. the daughter of Zion (Jerusalem).

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