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    Can we still be living in the third kingdom of Grecia?

    Was Rome merely part of the Greek Empire.?

    We have four kingdoms in Danial however three are only named Babylon, MP, and Greece. Why was not the fourth named? Most will say as it was not yet come upon earth. But it was not named as it had no country name it is signified by animals. The fourth kingdom is not a Roman Empire but Satan's Empire.

    Does this sound like the Roam Empire? Did Rome come up from the sea?

    3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

    23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
    24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
    25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
    26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

    Who were the rest of the beasts during the Roman Empire?

    12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

    Note the third kingdom is divided unto four parts, who were these four parts in Roman Empire?


    The Roman Empire or a revived one is NOT the fourth kingdom. It is the future kingdom of Satan upon the earth.

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    Re: Can we still be living in the third kingdom of Grecia?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Was Rome merely part of the Greek Empire.?
    Rome was a completely distinct empire from the empire of Greece, as I understand it.

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    We have four kingdoms in Danial however three are only named Babylon, MP, and Greece. Why was not the fourth named? Most will say as it was not yet come upon earth. But it was not named as it had no country name it is signified by animals. The fourth kingdom is not a Roman Empire but Satan's Empire.
    This is highly subjective. We are not told. The implication is that this 4th power was overwhelmingly strong, and defied description. Indeed, the former empires traced their empires to regions within reach of their own core government. But Rome expanded exponentially across the Mediterranean. This defies description. It would not describe an animal characteristic or pattern underlying peculiar animal qualities. It was simply *expansive!*

    Quote Originally Posted by ross
    Does this sound like the Roam Empire? Did Rome come up from the sea?
    Rome was very much a sea power, with a strong navy. Otherwise it could not have defeated the Carthaginians, a powerful sea country.

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    3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

    23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
    24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
    25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
    26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

    Who were the rest of the beasts during the Roman Empire?
    There were no other beasts after the Roman Empire in Dan 2 and Dan 7. The two beasts in Rev 13 seem to refer to a latter day equivalent of the ancient Roman "beast." These beasts consist of a political beast and a religious beast, each with their own political center. One is the Antichrist, and the other is the False Prophet.

    Quote Originally Posted by ross
    12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

    Note the third kingdom is divided unto four parts, who were these four parts in Roman Empire?
    They were a division into 4 of the 3rd Kingdom, which was Greece--not Rome.

    Quote Originally Posted by ross
    The Roman Empire or a revived one is NOT the fourth kingdom. It is the future kingdom of Satan upon the earth.
    No doubt that even if this is a future revival of the Roman Empire it will be Satanic.

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    Re: Can we still be living in the third kingdom of Grecia?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Was Rome merely part of the Greek Empire.?

    We have four kingdoms in Danial however three are only named Babylon, MP, and Greece. Why was not the fourth named? Most will say as it was not yet come upon earth. But it was not named as it had no country name it is signified by animals. The fourth kingdom is not a Roman Empire but Satan's Empire.

    Does this sound like the Roam Empire? Did Rome come up from the sea?

    3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

    23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
    24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
    25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
    26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

    Who were the rest of the beasts during the Roman Empire?

    12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

    Note the third kingdom is divided unto four parts, who were these four parts in Roman Empire?


    The Roman Empire or a revived one is NOT the fourth kingdom. It is the future kingdom of Satan upon the earth.
    I understand the following.
    1. Satan is called by none other than our Lord Jesus "Prince of this world". Thus, since Adam capitulated Satan has dominion over the kingdoms of this world. Thus, a special "Satan's Empire" would be superfluous.
    2. In Luke 4:6 the power and glory of the world's kingdoms are Satan. The Lord does not contradict Him. And in Revelation 11:15 the kingdoms of this world "BECOME" Christ's then it means that they previously were not His.
    3. It is given to us to interpret prophecy with prophecy. The TEN kings join Daniel and Revelation in the same event
    4. Daniel Chapter 2 to 7 is written in Aramaic/Chaldean and addresses the Gentiles. The last kingdom before Gentile rule is dissolved at Armageddon is the same in Daniel as in Revelation
    5. I realize that many scholars make TWO kingdoms out of the Legs and the Feet of Iron and Clay in Daniel Chapter 2, but to things speak strongly against it. (1) The same fundamental element iron is in both, (2) clay is a "part" addition, and (3) Daniel 7:7 shows the FEET of the last kingdom stamping. Also, if we take the grammar of Daniel 2:40-43 it agrees that the iron and clay are one and the same kingdom. Here it is;

    40 "And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
    41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
    42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
    43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay."

    Finally, "Empire" is not used by the prophecy. The word is "Kingdom". The Roman Kingdom was a military one until it changed to a RELIGIOUS one. It fornicates with the kings of the earth now with more subtle and more effective pressure than armor and swords. It usurps the minds of the populations with words of RELIGION. It has 1.3 billion ambassadors worldwide who will revolt or vote according to the words from the pulpit.

    I judge that te fourth of Daniel 7 is Rome - not militarily, but religiously - as Revelation 13 and 17 intimate. The fact that Revelation does not openly address the three defeated kings is not evidence that they are not there. The Book of Daniel is sealed to the end times. Those living will see it happen and say, "Ah ... Daniel 7."

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