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    Seven year tribulation period

    I was taught many years ago it is not wise to base a doctrine on one verse.
    It seems that the coming seven year tribulation period in only based on Daniel 9:27.
    Can anyone give me Scripture, other than Daniel 9:27, that teaches a coming seven year tribulation period?

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    Re: Seven year tribulation period

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayle View Post
    I was taught many years ago it is not wise to base a doctrine on one verse.
    It seems that the coming seven year tribulation period in only based on Daniel 9:27.
    Can anyone give me Scripture, other than Daniel 9:27, that teaches a coming seven year tribulation period?
    Hello and welcome to the Forum. I hope it profits you.

    You are correct. Don't base a doctrine on one verse. The Great Tribulation is 3 years, 42 months, 1260 days and/or "a time, times and half a time". Daniel 9:27 is the total time that the Beast reigns but he only stops the oblation and sets himself up in the Temple after "half the Seven". It is this action that starts the Great Tribulation. Matthew 24:15-21.

    15 "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
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    21 For THEN shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

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    Re: Seven year tribulation period

    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    Hello and welcome to the Forum. I hope it profits you.

    You are correct. Don't base a doctrine on one verse. The Great Tribulation is 3 years, 42 months, 1260 days and/or "a time, times and half a time". Daniel 9:27 is the total time that the Beast reigns but he only stops the oblation and sets himself up in the Temple after "half the Seven". It is this action that starts the Great Tribulation. Matthew 24:15-21.

    15 "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
    ...
    21 For THEN shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."
    I second that. It's the way I see it too.

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    It's inferred from Daniel 9:27 but I don't believe there's a verse which states it outright. For the first 3 1/2 years his true identity will be concealed; although, anyone who's paying attention will take note of the "covenant" which he makes for one week. After 3 1/2 years he'll take his seat in the Temple, proclaiming himself as God. He'll be given 3 1/2 more years after that.

    During the first 3 /12 years there will be tribulation. See Matthew 24, the first 15 verses describe the first 3 1/2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    It's inferred from Daniel 9:27 but I don't believe there's a verse which states it outright. For the first 3 1/2 years his true identity will be concealed; although, anyone who's paying attention will take note of the "covenant" which he makes for one week. After 3 1/2 years he'll take his seat in the Temple, proclaiming himself as God. He'll be given 3 1/2 more years after that.
    So we are building a doctrine on one verse and assumptions?

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    I'm not building a doctrine but a working theory which seems to make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    I'm not building a doctrine but a working theory which seems to make sense.
    So am I brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    Hello and welcome to the Forum. I hope it profits you.

    You are correct. Don't base a doctrine on one verse. The Great Tribulation is 3 years, 42 months, 1260 days and/or "a time, times and half a time". Daniel 9:27 is the total time that the Beast reigns but he only stops the oblation and sets himself up in the Temple after "half the Seven". It is this action that starts the Great Tribulation. Matthew 24:15-21.

    15 "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
    ...
    21 For THEN shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."
    But are you are saying that their is still a seven year event coming?

    What Scripture other than Daniel 9:27 is this based on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayle View Post
    But are you are saying that their is still a seven year event coming?

    What Scripture other than Daniel 9:27 is this based on?
    I take the last "seven" of 70 sevens from the plain words of Daniel 9:24-27 but make no doctrine out of it. The doctrine is that this "seven" is divided in half, the last 1260 days of it being the Great Tribulation (Daniel 7:25, 12:7; Revelation 11:2-3, 12:6-7, 14, 13:5). The grand type (from which we also don't make doctrine, but enjoy enlightenment) is God's judgement on Israel at Elijah's time and the length of the ministry of our Lord Jesus, which was Israel's crisis. But I am also aware that this prophecy has little bearing on me. I am not one of "Daniel's People".

    Are you unsure that Daniel's last "seven" is seven?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    I take the last "seven" of 70 sevens from the plain words of Daniel 9:24-27 but make no doctrine out of it. The doctrine is that this "seven" is divided in half, the last 1260 days of it being the Great Tribulation (Daniel 7:25, 12:7; Revelation 11:2-3, 12:6-7, 14, 13:5). The grand type (from which we also don't make doctrine, but enjoy enlightenment) is God's judgement on Israel at Elijah's time and the length of the ministry of our Lord Jesus, which was Israel's crisis. But I am also aware that this prophecy has little bearing on me. I am not one of "Daniel's People".

    Are you unsure that Daniel's last "seven" is seven?
    Doctrine means truth.
    Seven means seven.
    But it seems many want to say that time was suspended after 69 weeks with the 70th week yet future.
    I see the ministry of Jesus as the Messiah being the first part of the 70th week.
    At the crucifixion of the Messiah, time was suspended with 1335 days of the 70th week remaining to be fulfilled.
    This final 1335 days will began with the identification of the anti-Christ that will happen when he stand up alive after the wound unto death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayle View Post
    Doctrine means truth.
    Seven means seven.
    But it seems many want to say that time was suspended after 69 weeks with the 70th week yet future.
    I see the ministry of Jesus as the Messiah being the first part of the 70th week.
    At the crucifixion of the Messiah, time was suspended with 1335 days of the 70th week remaining to be fulfilled.
    This final 1335 days will began with the identification of the anti-Christ that will happen when he stand up alive after the wound unto death.
    But is there not a problem with this understanding? For the Beast to "strengthen" the Covenant with many at the beginning of Daniel's 70th seven, he would have to "stand up alive" then, or before. He would have no power to "strengthen" (lit Heb.) any Covenant with Israel until the ten kings had given him their power (Dan.7:24; Rev.17:12). So he must "stand up alive" even before the beginning of the last "seven" of Daniel 9.

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    Re: Seven year tribulation period

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayle View Post
    But are you are saying that their is still a seven year event coming?
    What Scripture other than Daniel 9:27 is this based on?
    As you note there is clearly a 7 year period in Dan 9:27.
    The details though of this has a split in the middle.
    For further details of what happens DURING this split we need to look in Revelation.

    Rev 11 speaks of Two Witness who prophesy for 1260 days (which is basically 3.5 years). It then speaks of 42 months of the beast ruling in Rev 13.
    Add the two together such as the 3.5 days while the 2W lie dead in the street, and the time for those in Jerusalem to flee to safety and you get a 7 year period.

    2 Thess 2 also speaks of this event which occurs in the middle of the week, but the specific connection is not made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    As you note there is clearly a 7 year period in Dan 9:27.
    The details though of this has a split in the middle.
    For further details of what happens DURING this split we need to look in Revelation.

    Rev 11 speaks of Two Witness who prophesy for 1260 days (which is basically 3.5 years). It then speaks of 42 months of the beast ruling in Rev 13.
    Add the two together such as the 3.5 days while the 2W lie dead in the street, and the time for those in Jerusalem to flee to safety and you get a 7 year period.

    2 Thess 2 also speaks of this event which occurs in the middle of the week, but the specific connection is not made.

    2 Thessalonians 2 does say regarding the coming of the Lord and by our gathering together unto him; "that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" We also know that it is the son of perdition that kills the two witnesses.

    2 Thessalonians 2:
    1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
    2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

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    Re: Seven year tribulation period

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayle View Post
    I was taught many years ago it is not wise to base a doctrine on one verse.
    It seems that the coming seven year tribulation period in only based on Daniel 9:27.
    Can anyone give me Scripture, other than Daniel 9:27, that teaches a coming seven year tribulation period?
    Hi Dayle and welcome to the forum.

    Anytime that there is no New testament backing of a prophecy from the Old Testament there is a reason for it and that is most likely because it was fulfilled in the Old Testament times.

    First of all there is no 7 year tribulation mentioned anywhere is the bible. We also have to ask ourselves does God want a future temple built and sacrifices reestablished since He put a stop to them back in 70AD by allowing the temple to be destroyed because Jesus fulfilled everything the temple stood for?

    If a future temple will be built it will not be Gods temple but mans as we the church are now Gods temple. Thus if a future antichrist did desecrate a future temple it would not matter to God.

    Daniel 9:27
    27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

    The above verse only mentions a 7 year covenant nothing about a tribulation time period. It also mentions that the sacrifice will be stopped at the temple. Twice this has happened after the time Daniel wrote this verse and only once did one person stop it and that was Antiochus Epiphanies back in 167 BC.

    Around the time of 170/1 B.C. Onias 3rd is murdered (cut off and has nothing) he was the last of the Zadokite priesthood which was the start of the 70th week.

    In 167 B.C. Antiochus Epiphanies 4th desecrates the temple way through the 70th week. The abomination that caused desolation.

    In 164 B.C. Antiochus Epiphanies 4th dies and the temple sacrifice is reestablished the end of the 70th week. (the end is poured out on him)

    We have to ask ourselves who would the Jews living at that time think Daniel was writing about as Daniel was writing to the Jews and not to us?

    I believe that the 70th week was fulfilled at this time as history matches exactly what Daniel prophesied

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    Hi Dayle and welcome to the forum.

    Anytime that there is no New testament backing of a prophecy from the Old Testament there is a reason for it and that is most likely because it was fulfilled in the Old Testament times.

    First of all there is no 7 year tribulation mentioned anywhere is the bible. We also have to ask ourselves does God want a future temple built and sacrifices reestablished since He put a stop to them back in 70AD by allowing the temple to be destroyed because Jesus fulfilled everything the temple stood for?

    If a future temple will be built it will not be Gods temple but mans as we the church are now Gods temple. Thus if a future antichrist did desecrate a future temple it would not matter to God.

    Daniel 9:27
    27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

    The above verse only mentions a 7 year covenant nothing about a tribulation time period. It also mentions that the sacrifice will be stopped at the temple. Twice this has happened after the time Daniel wrote this verse and only once did one person stop it and that was Antiochus Epiphanies back in 167 BC.

    Around the time of 170/1 B.C. Onias 3rd is murdered (cut off and has nothing) he was the last of the Zadokite priesthood which was the start of the 70th week.

    In 167 B.C. Antiochus Epiphanies 4th desecrates the temple way through the 70th week. The abomination that caused desolation.

    In 164 B.C. Antiochus Epiphanies 4th dies and the temple sacrifice is reestablished the end of the 70th week. (the end is poured out on him)

    We have to ask ourselves who would the Jews living at that time think Daniel was writing about as Daniel was writing to the Jews and not to us?

    I believe that the 70th week was fulfilled at this time as history matches exactly what Daniel prophesied
    I disagree---
    I believe that the last 1335 days that Daniel 12 speaks of is a future event, and is the completion of the 70th week, with the ministry of Jesus, offering Himself to Israel as the Messiah, being the first 1185 days of that 70th week.

    The cosmic events and the killing of most of the earth's population is yet future.
    There are no historic records of such mass chaos and death that is mentioned in Revelation.

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