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    Re: Rev 13:1 Is John or the Dragon standing on the sea shore?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    The first beast would be the "empire" as you will, the 2nd beast will be when the dragon comes up from the earth/sea.
    The dragons doesn't do either of those things. Only the empire and ruler of the empire come out of the sea and earth.


    The pit is located under the sea in the earth.
    No scripture says it's under the sea. It's in the Earth though since to open it or lock it, an angel has to leave heaven and come to the earth.
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    Re: Rev 13:1 Is John or the Dragon standing on the sea shore?

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    No scripture says it's under the sea. It's in the Earth though since to open it or lock it, an angel has to leave heaven and come to the earth.
    Do you know the earth is covered 2/3rds by water...…..

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    Re: Rev 13:1 Is John or the Dragon standing on the sea shore?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Do you know the earth is covered 2/3rds by water...…..
    That doesn't help your argument at all. What scripture shows the pit is under the sea?
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    Re: Rev 13:1 Is John or the Dragon standing on the sea shore?

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    That doesn't help your argument at all. What scripture shows the pit is under the sea?
    There is a higher probability it is under the sea than not 66% chance

    And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

    I don't think is speaking of those who just so happened to die at sea.

    And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

    The beast is coming up out of the water...…

    And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

    Can we not make the reference of the two verses. Logic and scripture would say the pit which is in the earth is covered by the sea currently.

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    Re: Rev 13:1 Is John or the Dragon standing on the sea shore?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    There is a higher probability it is under the sea than not 66% chance

    And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    The pit is in hell, so this proves it is not under the sea.




    And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

    The beast is coming up out of the water...…

    Metaphorically the sea/waters is people.

    Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.



    And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

    Can we not make the reference of the two verses. Logic and scripture would say the pit which is in the earth is covered by the sea currently.
    The beast that kills the two prophets is the second beast from the Earth, not the first beast from the sea. The FP is a person, and he is the one that entered the pit and also came out of it. The empire the FP rules over did not enter or come out of the bottomless pit.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    Re: Rev 13:1 Is John or the Dragon standing on the sea shore?

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    The pit is in hell, so this proves it is not under the sea.
    How?

    Metaphorically the sea/waters is people.

    Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

    So is the woman (city) sitting upon the sea? Is she an island, no. Thus waters does not equate to the sea.

    Now I believe the "waters" are rivers which will connect to the city being center like many major cities today. Euphrates being one and the Tigris. I think this city will like the garden of Eden with the four rivers out from it from a high hill, mount Ararat?

    10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
    11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
    12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
    13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
    14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

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    Re: Rev 13:1 Is John or the Dragon standing on the sea shore?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    How?
    Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
    Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
    Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;


    So is the woman (city) sitting upon the sea? Is she an island, no. Thus waters does not equate to the sea.
    Waters in Rev 17 is the sea.

    Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
    Rev 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
    Rev 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    Re: Rev 13:1 Is John or the Dragon standing on the sea shore?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    We know he is cast INTO the sea/earth as then in Rev 13 he comes UP from the sea/earth!!!!! If he was cast merely just to the earth he could not come up...

    1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

    Furthermore the woman is safe from the "face" of the serpent, why? How is that possible? Because he is in the pit.

    14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

    How can he cast water out of his mouth unless he is in the sea/earth.

    15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
    The beast that rose from the sea in Rev 13 is the antichrist, not Satan. Notice that v-2 says "and the dragon gave him power and his seat and great authority." The dragon is the devil who empowers the antichrist.

    The four beasts on Dan 7 make up the fourth kingdom of Dan 2, they are not the same. Do you not notice the third kingdom Dan 2 is broken into four parts. Dan 7 are these four parts.
    Please identify the kingdom in Dan 2 that is broken into four parts as well as Dan 7 and explain who the four parts are?

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    Re: Rev 13:1 Is John or the Dragon standing on the sea shore?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    The first beast would be the "empire" as you will, the 2nd beast will be when the dragon comes up from the earth/sea. The entire picture of Rev 13 is describing the 4th kingdom Dan 2 coming upon the earth, ie the four beasts Dan 7.

    1 In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth,

    12 Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

    15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

    11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

    The pit is located under the sea in the earth.
    Nope.
    You are simply confusing Satan and the antichrist because you don't know any better.

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    Re: Rev 13:1 Is John or the Dragon standing on the sea shore?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    There is a higher probability it is under the sea than not 66% chance

    And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

    I don't think is speaking of those who just so happened to die at sea.

    And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

    The beast is coming up out of the water...

    And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

    Can we not make the reference of the two verses. Logic and scripture would say the pit which is in the earth is covered by the sea currently.
    So you want us to believe your conjure than what the scriptures actually say?

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    Re: Rev 13:1 Is John or the Dragon standing on the sea shore?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    How?

    So is the woman (city) sitting upon the sea? Is she an island, no. Thus waters does not equate to the sea.

    Now I believe the "waters" are rivers which will connect to the city being center like many major cities today. Euphrates being one and the Tigris. I think this city will like the garden of Eden with the four rivers out from it from a high hill, mount Ararat?

    10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
    11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
    12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
    13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
    14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
    The "sea" in some contexts denotes a multitude of people - as in the people of the world. It should not always be interpreted literally. Follow the context to understand which meaning the prophecy has in mind.

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    Re: Rev 13:1 Is John or the Dragon standing on the sea shore?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trivalee View Post
    The "sea" in some contexts denotes a multitude of people - as in the people of the world. It should not always be interpreted literally. Follow the context to understand which meaning the prophecy has in mind.
    Well stated...

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