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    Is infant baptism from the Bible?

    Some may say, what is wrong with baptizing an infant? Well we need to go to the word of God and to the requirements for baptism.

    Baptism is for those that hear the Gospel message, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and repent of their sins. This must be done before a person can be baptized.

    "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Acts 2:38.

    "Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." Acts 20:21.

    Why do we need to repent to God?

    "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23.

    Only those that receive the Word of God and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ are fit for baptism.

    "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2:41

    "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
    He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:15, 16.

    "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women." Acts 8:12.

    "And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
    And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." Acts 8:36, 37.

    The question must now be asked, ‘Can an infant understand the Gospel, accept the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour, and repent of their sins?’ Of course they cannot, so therefore according to the Bible they cannot be baptized and any church that condones infant baptism is not following the Word of God.

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    No, it's not Biblical. I grew up in the Methodist Church and was always told that infant baptism was really just a dedication ritual, not a substitute for adult baptism. But in all my years in the Methodist Church I never witnessed a single adult baptism, myself excepted.

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    Re: Is infant baptism from the Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    No, it's not Biblical. I grew up in the Methodist Church and was always told that infant baptism was really just a dedication ritual, not a substitute for adult baptism. But in all my years in the Methodist Church I never witnessed a single adult baptism, myself excepted.
    To me this is because they then teach about communion and with that is repentance and seeking forgiveness for sins since it is for the remission of sins.
    Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

    So what is this church lacking? They do baptizing and they give communion teaching about repentance and forgiveness of sin.

    I was baptized as a baby...to me I was given to the Lord. I was then trained up in the Lord. As my understanding grew I did seek the Lord for myself and was baptized as an adult having new understandings, plus Jesus was baptized as an adult. I was to me following Jesus.

    I do not feel it was error to be baptized as a baby as Jesus gives no age. I consider it being given to the Lord as a baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hobie View Post
    The question must now be asked, ‘Can an infant understand the Gospel, accept the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour, and repent of their sins?’ Of course they cannot, so therefore according to the Bible they cannot be baptized and any church that condones infant baptism is not following the Word of God.
    Ok lets look at the verses:
    Matthew 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

    Who is the “them” that were to be baptized? Answer is “all nations”. Who then is to be taught? Answer “all nations”. So the question then becomes who is “nations” referring to. Is a baby considered part of the “nation”? In the nation I live in, a baby is counted as being part of the nation. Can a child then be brought up and taught? Yes.

    Did an infant understand when the Lord claimed the house of Levi as being His?
    Numbers 8:14 Thus shalt thou separate the Levites from among the children of Israel: and the Levites shall be mine.

    Did the infant Levite belong to God?

    When Jesus gave the command to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost He did not put an age and He did not say repent. Are you saying that an infant can't belong to God? I am sure when they all heard this they wanted their full household baptized no matter the age. This is probably how it even started. Claiming the full house to belong to the Lord just as the Levite was.

    I do not have a problem with infant baptism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyCyd View Post
    Ok lets look at the verses:
    Matthew 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

    Who is the “them” that were to be baptized? Answer is “all nations”. Who then is to be taught? Answer “all nations”. So the question then becomes who is “nations” referring to. Is a baby considered part of the “nation”? In the nation I live in, a baby is counted as being part of the nation. Can a child then be brought up and taught? Yes.

    Did an infant understand when the Lord claimed the house of Levi as being His?
    Numbers 8:14 Thus shalt thou separate the Levites from among the children of Israel: and the Levites shall be mine.

    Did the infant Levite belong to God?

    When Jesus gave the command to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost He did not put an age and He did not say repent. Are you saying that an infant can't belong to God? I am sure when they all heard this they wanted their full household baptized no matter the age. This is probably how it even started. Claiming the full house to belong to the Lord just as the Levite was.

    I do not have a problem with infant baptism.
    What is quite peculiar, that those who are so obsessed with what they call « the great commission » only have this verse. The Lord said this while He was still on earth, so before the Acts and the letters written during that time.

    So I've asked this many times before, show just one instance, one verse, where anybody was baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. There's about a time frame of 40 years during those Acts, so if anybody listened to the Lord, finding this must be a breeze, but it isn't. Then what did the Lord teach them to command, what all those who are baptized in this particular way should observe? Last, v. 20 says according to the Greek « ... I am with you all days, even unto the end of the aion ». But the Lord is now hidden in God as Col. 3:3 says « For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God », even worse, those He spoke to (the eleven apostles v. 16) are dead as well.

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    Re: Is infant baptism from the Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aristarkos View Post
    What is quite peculiar, that those who are so obsessed with what they call « the great commission » only have this verse. The Lord said this while He was still on earth, so before the Acts and the letters written during that time.
    Well to me this was given them after resurrection, as they had baptized before while Jesus was with them and to me that was like John's baptism. Jesus was giving them a change in what they had done in the past to me. He did not bring up repentance...He said to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit...so this was different. I can understand this taking time given they did baptize different earlier in the ministry with the Lord, so this was something new to me that they were assigned.

    So I've asked this many times before, show just one instance, one verse, where anybody was baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. There's about a time frame of 40 years during those Acts, so if anybody listened to the Lord, finding this must be a breeze, but it isn't.
    Most cases it just says they baptized people..it doesn't say how. To me in the name of the Lord being referred to is saying it was given by the authority of Jesus they were to be baptizing.

    Then what did the Lord teach them to command, what all those who are baptized in this particular way should observe?
    Jesus was talking about ministry...He commanded the disciples in Mr 6:7-13...also sending out seventy more in Luke 10 with what to observe and do. This is what Jesus was talking about to me, it was the ministry He commanded them on and wanted observed and to do.

    Remember how important it was to the disciples when choosing the replacement for Judas, they wanted someone with the baptism of John and to have followed Jesus. Well this to me was Jesus giving them new guidelines for baptism into His ministry. Yet to follow the same commands as Jesus commanded in being sent out two by two.

    Last, v. 20 says according to the Greek « ... I am with you all days, even unto the end of the aion ». But the Lord is now hidden in God as Col. 3:3 says « For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God », even worse, those He spoke to (the eleven apostles v. 16) are dead as well.

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    Anyway as you can tell I see it a bit different than you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyCyd View Post
    Well to me this was given them after resurrection, as they had baptized before while Jesus was with them and to me that was like John's baptism. Jesus was giving them a change in what they had done in the past to me. He did not bring up repentance...He said to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit...so this was different. I can understand this taking time given they did baptize different earlier in the ministry with the Lord, so this was something new to me that they were assigned.

    Most cases it just says they baptized people..it doesn't say how. To me in the name of the Lord being referred to is saying it was given by the authority of Jesus they were to be baptizing.

    Jesus was talking about ministry...He commanded the disciples in Mr 6:7-13...also sending out seventy more in Luke 10 with what to observe and do. This is what Jesus was talking about to me, it was the ministry He commanded them on and wanted observed and to do.

    Remember how important it was to the disciples when choosing the replacement for Judas, they wanted someone with the baptism of John and to have followed Jesus. Well this to me was Jesus giving them new guidelines for baptism into His ministry. Yet to follow the same commands as Jesus commanded in being sent out two by two.

    Anyway as you can tell I see it a bit different than you do.
    I know, just about everybody else does, so don't worry about it. However, you are assuming things and have no Scripture to support your view, just as I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristarkos View Post
    What is quite peculiar, that those who are so obsessed with what they call « the great commission » only have this verse. The Lord said this while He was still on earth, so before the Acts and the letters written during that time.

    So I've asked this many times before, show just one instance, one verse, where anybody was baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. There's about a time frame of 40 years during those Acts, so if anybody listened to the Lord, finding this must be a breeze, but it isn't. Then what did the Lord teach them to command, what all those who are baptized in this particular way should observe? Last, v. 20 says according to the Greek « ... I am with you all days, even unto the end of the aion ». But the Lord is now hidden in God as Col. 3:3 says « For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God », even worse, those He spoke to (the eleven apostles v. 16) are dead as well.

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    And I'm one of those obsessed with it !

    I'm just silly enough to read that "one" verse, and take it literally I guess. I'm also quite confident that when I get to heaven that Jesus will not rebuke me for taking it literally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristarkos View Post
    What is quite peculiar, that those who are so obsessed with what they call « the great commission » only have this verse. The Lord said this while He was still on earth, so before the Acts and the letters written during that time.

    So I've asked this many times before, show just one instance, one verse, where anybody was baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. There's about a time frame of 40 years during those Acts, so if anybody listened to the Lord, finding this must be a breeze, but it isn't. Then what did the Lord teach them to command, what all those who are baptized in this particular way should observe? Last, v. 20 says according to the Greek « ... I am with you all days, even unto the end of the aion ». But the Lord is now hidden in God as Col. 3:3 says « For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God », even worse, those He spoke to (the eleven apostles v. 16) are dead as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pbminimum View Post
    And I'm one of those obsessed with it !

    I'm just silly enough to read that "one" verse, and take it literally I guess. I'm also quite confident that when I get to heaven that Jesus will not rebuke me for taking it literally.
    I know you do Pb, it wasn't aimed at you personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristarkos View Post
    I know you do Pb, it wasn't aimed at you personally.

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    I know. I just couldn't help it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pbminimum View Post
    I know. I just couldn't help it.
    To be honest, I wondered what kept you so long...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristarkos View Post
    What is quite peculiar, that those who are so obsessed with what they call « the great commission » only have this verse. The Lord said this while He was still on earth, so before the Acts and the letters written during that time.

    So I've asked this many times before, show just one instance, one verse, where anybody was baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. There's about a time frame of 40 years during those Acts, so if anybody listened to the Lord, finding this must be a breeze, but it isn't. Then what did the Lord teach them to command, what all those who are baptized in this particular way should observe? Last, v. 20 says according to the Greek « ... I am with you all days, even unto the end of the aion ». But the Lord is now hidden in God as Col. 3:3 says « For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God », even worse, those He spoke to (the eleven apostles v. 16) are dead as well.

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    There are thousands of instances of reports of baptisms in the New Testament. Especially if you count Acts 2. And these are just the ones we are told of. I believe there were obviously thousands and thousands more during the span of the New Testament.

    No details are given. It's simply stated that people were baptized. Since no details are given at all except that people were baptized, why are you declaring that no one was baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit? Why are you supposing that these 11 men would NOT obey Christ and do what he said regarding baptism for believers?

    • Around 3,000 baptized on the Day of Pentecost with no detail.
    • Philip baptized an unknown number of men and women in Acts 8 with no detail.
    • Philip baptized the Ethiopian eunuch. Acts 8 with no detail except they both "went down to the water].
    • Saul [Paul] was baptized with no detail. Acts 9
    • Unknown amount of Gentiles commanded to be baptized by Peter. No details. Acts 10
    • Lydia and her entire household baptized with no detail given. Acts 16
    • The Philippian jailer and all his household baptized with no detail given. Acts 16.


    As you know, there is a lot more. I just got tired of looking.

    With no details given of the baptism, all we can do is to understand that the Apostles baptized in the manner that Jesus Christ told them to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayne View Post
    There are thousands of instances of reports of baptisms in the New Testament. Especially if you count Acts 2. And these are just the ones we are told of. I believe there were obviously thousands and thousands more during the span of the New Testament.

    No details are given. It's simply stated that people were baptized. Since no details are given at all except that people were baptized, why are you declaring that no one was baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit? Why are you supposing that these 11 men would NOT obey Christ and do what he said regarding baptism for believers?

    • Around 3,000 baptized on the Day of Pentecost with no detail.
    • Philip baptized an unknown number of men and women in Acts 8 with no detail.
    • Philip baptized the Ethiopian eunuch. Acts 8 with no detail except they both "went down to the water].
    • Saul [Paul] was baptized with no detail. Acts 9
    • Unknown amount of Gentiles commanded to be baptized by Peter. No details. Acts 10
    • Lydia and her entire household baptized with no detail given. Acts 16
    • The Philippian jailer and all his household baptized with no detail given. Acts 16.


    As you know, there is a lot more. I just got tired of looking.

    With no details given of the baptism, all we can do is to understand that the Apostles baptized in the manner that Jesus Christ told them to.
    So the detailed great commission is never in detail performed? Since at that time the Kingdom of Heaven was still preached by the 12 apostles, they baptized in water, like John the Baptist. Paul — who was the gentile apostle — wasn't send to baptize « For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel ... » 1 Cor. 1:17.

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    So you believe that all of the thousands of baptisms in the New Testament were just men dunking people under the water with no words said? No message? No instruction as to why this was being done?

    Paul said he wasn't called to baptize because people would be treating his baptizing them like they were baptized by a celebrity. That's what was happening in that church at Corinth. People were "worshipping" the men that baptized them. Paul was angry at that.

    And he did baptize some people - he lists them somewhere in and around that passage.

    When he said that he was not called to baptize, but to preach - he wasn't disregarding or criticizing baptism. He was putting the emphasis on what was of the most critical - preaching.

    This church was in a hot mess. Idolizing the man who baptized you was just one of their many, many problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayne View Post
    So you believe that all of the thousands of baptisms in the New Testament were just men dunking people under the water with no words said? No message? No instruction as to why this was being done?

    Paul said he wasn't called to baptize because people would be treating his baptizing them like they were baptized by a celebrity. That's what was happening in that church at Corinth. People were "worshipping" the men that baptized them. Paul was angry at that.

    And he did baptize some people - he lists them somewhere in and around that passage.

    When he said that he was not called to baptize, but to preach - he wasn't disregarding or criticizing baptism. He was putting the emphasis on what was of the most critical - preaching.

    This church was in a hot mess. Idolizing the man who baptized you was just one of their many, many problems.
    The great commission says: « Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost », these are the gentiles, yet what does Paul say in Rom. 15:8 « Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers ». So this is in direct contradiction with the common understanding of Mat. 28:19, assuming certain things isn't helping. In Galatians — written ± 58 AD, therefore ± 25 years after the so called great commission — Paul says « But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter », so they — the 12 — were preaching to the Jews, not « all nations ». Pay specific attention to v. 8 « For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles », thus only Paul was send to the gentiles. The so called great commission is not for our time.

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