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    Re: Question for partial preterist

    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    Agreed only those four heard the words my point was that Matthews gospel is written to the Jews
    45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

    48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”


    Was not just for the Jews, but God so loved the whole world that he sent his Son to save the entire world before the end comes.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Re: Question for partial preterist

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    45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

    48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”


    Was not just for the Jews, but God so loved the whole world that he sent his Son to save the entire world before the end comes.



    45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

    48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”


    Was not just for the Jews, but God so loved the whole world that he sent his Son to save the entire world before the end comes.
    Maybe you misunderstand me as I think you know me better than this. LOL

    Of course Matthews gospel was written for everyone I actually did say that but it is known that Matthew wrote his gospel to the Jews so his theme was proving to the Jews that Jesus was the messiah. That is why when Jesus fulfilled prophecy he quoted the OT prophets prophecy

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    Re: Question for partial preterist

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    4 people asking a question on the mount of olives has nothing to do with who the book was written to. It's a book written to any who wants to read it, not specifically to anyone.



    4 people asking a question on the mount of olives has nothing to do with who the book was written to. It's a book written to any who wants to read it, not specifically to anyone.
    Actually it’s well known that Matthews gospel w@s written with a theme to the Jews but once again it is for everyone

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    Re: Question for partial preterist

    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    Actually it’s well known that Matthews gospel w@s written with a theme to the Jews but once again it is for everyone
    It is not well known nor has any evidence been supplied for this theory.

    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    Actually it’s well known that Matthews gospel w@s written with a theme to the Jews but once again it is for everyone
    It is not well known nor has any evidence been supplied for this theory.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    Re: Question for partial preterist

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    It is not well known nor has any evidence been supplied for this theory.
    Matt was quoting OT scripture to those who were privy to it. He is certainly addressing them by appealing to them with their own scriptures regarding Jesus Christ.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Re: Question for partial preterist

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    Matt was quoting OT scripture to those who were privy to it. He is certainly addressing them by appealing to them with their own scriptures regarding Jesus Christ.
    Again, there is no evidence the intended audience was the Jews...Jews don't tend to read NT scripture anyways. Only the letter from Paul to the Hebrews was meant for Jews. The Gospels were written to anyone with no specific targeted audience.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    Again, there is no evidence the intended audience was the Jews...Jews don't tend to read NT scripture anyways. Only the letter from Paul to the Hebrews was meant for Jews. The Gospels were written to anyone with no specific targeted audience.

    "Those who are in Judea" should suffice. Jesus plea was to them.

    Matt wasn't quoting OT scripture to any one else other than the Jews in order to try and win some of them over. Why would you quote OT to a Gentile who had no idea of what was written.

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    Again, there is no evidence the intended audience was the Jews...Jews don't tend to read NT scripture anyways. Only the letter from Paul to the Hebrews was meant for Jews. The Gospels were written to anyone with no specific targeted audience.

    "Those who are in Judea" should suffice. Jesus plea was to them.

    Matt wasn't quoting OT scripture to any one else other than the Jews in order to try and win some of them over. Why would you quote OT to a Gentile who had no idea of what was written.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Re: Question for partial preterist

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    "Those who are in Judea" should suffice. Jesus plea was to them.

    Doen't make the book of Mathew written to the Jews, who rejected Christ.



    Matt wasn't quoting OT scripture to any one else other than the Jews in order to try and win some of them over. Why would you quote OT to a Gentile who had no idea of what was written.

    Why did Paul quote OT scripture and refer to OT scripture to gentiles then? Do you think Paul only wrote to Jews?

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    "Those who are in Judea" should suffice. Jesus plea was to them.

    Doen't make the book of Mathew written to the Jews, who rejected Christ.



    Matt wasn't quoting OT scripture to any one else other than the Jews in order to try and win some of them over. Why would you quote OT to a Gentile who had no idea of what was written.

    Why did Paul quote OT scripture and refer to OT scripture to gentiles then? Do you think Paul only wrote to Jews?
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    Re: Question for partial preterist

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    As a partial preterist, how do you interpret this passage?

    Matt 24:29 "But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken, 30 and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 "And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

    Also, how do you interpret this passage in light of WW2?

    Matt 24:20 "But pray that your flight may not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath; 21 for then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever shall.

    Not looking to argue but instead, more interested in answers. I can see why some are partial preterist, and have been investigating it. But these verses are difficult for me to see how they fit into the partial preterist theology.

    Thanks!

    what is a preterist?

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    When the disciples asked Jesus the Q in Matthew 24:3 (re: "the end [singular] of the age [singular]"), this was BASED on what He had ALREADY spoken to them about in Matthew 13:[24],30,39,40,49-50, when the angels will "REAP" (i.e. "WHEAT harvest"... I think I addressed this in this or another nearby thread). The problem becomes when some read the phrase "the kingdom of the heavens" (this context) and mistakenly consider that to mean "UP IN Heaven" (it does not mean that). Every place it is mentioned, it refers to the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom; and every place "age [singular]" is referred to, it is connected to "time/history" on the earth (in contrast to the phrase "the ages [plural] of the ages [plural]" which is what we call "eternity/forever" like in Gal1:5, etc). The disciples correctly understood that "the age [singular] to come" (Matthew 12:32, just before chpt 13) referred to their promised and prophesied kingdom (on the earth). This is all they were aware of, at that time, and Jesus does not correct that "proper expectation" of theirs (belonging TO THEM) in their later Q of Him (POST-resurrection and POST-40-days-of-teaching-them-'kingdom'-things) on Acts 1:6, He merely explain it was not for THEM to know its TIMING (this did not concern its fundamental "NATURE," which they correctly understood... they just did not understand its TIMING, which was their question, and Jesus' answer to them as well)

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    ^ … and along those same lines, here are at least 12 other kinds of contexts that go alongside that same [future] point in time (His Second Coming to the earth FOR the earthly MK age [NOT our Rapture, which is other contexts separate from these references]):

    --ALL "Son of man cometh/coming/shall come/etc" passages

    --"the kingdom of the heavens" (the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom)

    --"the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" passages (ditto the above; referred to in a few different passages)

    --the "G347 - shall sit down [around a table / at a meal]" of Matt8:11 and its parallel

    --the entire Olivet Discourse (except for the section of Lk21:12-24a about the events of 70ad), so Matt24-25/Mk13/Lk21

    --the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" references of Lk18:8[chpt-17-end] "avenge IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]," [also Romans 16:20 (distinct LOCATION, same time-frame) and Rev1:1/22:6] (specific limited future time period leading UP TO the earthly MK, which will commence at His Second Coming to the earth)

    --"the end [singular] of the age [singular]" in Matthew 13:24,30,39,40,49-50 (also Matt24:3 and His response); as well as "the age [singular] to come" which follows the other, sequentially, but found in Matt12:32 (the MK) located in the text before the Matt13 passage

    --the two "RETURN" passages of Luke 12:36-37,38,40,42-44 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." THEN the meal;and Luke 19:12,15,17,19 "RETURN," when He will deal out responsibilities regarding "have thou authority over 10 cities" and "likewise... be thou over 5" (and the parallels to these; see also Rev2:26-27, Rev19:15b ["SHALL [future] shepherd them [the nations]..."], Rev20:4, etc)

    --ALL "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" passages (for those not entering the earthly MK time period, as ALL "saints/the righteous" WILL be present and accounted FOR, to enjoy)

    --the "ye [the 12] shall sit on 12 thrones, judgING the 12 tribes of Israel" (Lk22:30,16,18 and Matt19:28 [compare with Matt25:31-34 for TIMING: His 2nd Coming to the earth])

    --about eight to TEN "BLESSED" passages in the gospels [correlating with Dan12:12's "BLESSED" (specific time slot ["Blessed is he that waiteth and cometh to the 1335 days"]--referring to "still-living" persons, at the time of His Second Coming to the earth) and Rev19:9's "BLESSED" both/all pertaining to their entrance into the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom, commencing upon His RETURN to the earth at the time of His Second Coming to the earth]

    --the Transfiguration (a picture of His Second Coming glory)


    ...pretty sure there are more

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    Re: Question for partial preterist

    Quote Originally Posted by Follower1977 View Post
    what is a preterist?
    Hello fellow follower.

    Preterism is the belief that all biblical prophesy has been fullfilled. Partial preterism, is a belief that all but a few things have been fulfilled. Some of the exclusions in the partial preterism view are 1. the final return of Jesus, 2. the resurrection, and some others that I cannot recall at the moment.
    Matt 9:13
    13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
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    Re: Question for partial preterist

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    Doen't make the book of Mathew written to the Jews, who rejected Christ.






    Why did Paul quote OT scripture and refer to OT scripture to gentiles then? Do you think Paul only wrote to Jews?




    Doen't make the book of Mathew written to the Jews, who rejected Christ.






    Why did Paul quote OT scripture and refer to OT scripture to gentiles then? Do you think Paul only wrote to Jews?
    Because the first century gentile Christians were taught by Jews and they showed them Jesus in the OT

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    Re: Question for partial preterist

    Quote Originally Posted by DJohnson View Post
    Where does its say a worldwide tribulation in Matthew 24. You are forgetting the audience that is being spoken to by Jesus and the CONTEXT of the passage. The audience is not a universal or "Gentile" audience, it is the believing Jews of 33 AD. It involves the destruction of the Temple and and end of the age (vss 2-3). What age? The age which the Old Covenant Jews were in at the time, of course, the end of the OLD Covenant Age and the end of the age of the Old Covenant people, the Jews. In Verse 29 , Jesus is quoting directly from numerous Old testament passages from Isiah and others which describes in apocalyptic terms the judgement of various nations of the Middle East pre-Christ, such as Egypt, Babylon, Edom, etc, etc. He is applying that same judgement language to the jew and to the Temple and city of Jerusalem regarding their utter destruction by the Romans on 70 AD. It is hyper-literalism to interpret in a wooden literal sense the Words of Jesus in verse 29. *****Context, audience, comparing Scripture with Scripture, basic hermenutical rules, not just simple hyper-literalism at face value, when interpreting the words & meaning of Scripture.
    Use *reply with Quote* to respond directly to a post. You seem to prefer just "Reply" (I don't know if you do it on purpose or not) which makes it is impossible to figure out which post you are responding to.

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    Re: Question for partial preterist

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberseeker View Post
    Until folks stop looking at the Olivet discourse with myopic preterist vision, and realise that prophecy has an initial fulfilment, with a greater one in the future, they will never see its full significance.
    Amen to that! When a prophecy is fully fulfilled, it fits like a hand in glove - every aspect is covered. Those claiming the OD was fulfilled in 70AD have a lot of holes in their case and often try unsuccessfully to plug them with nothing more than conjecture.

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