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    The false gospel of grace

    ....to keep you under the bondage of sin. The false gospel of grace is one that has been cleverly devised for these last days which is almost impossible to differentiate from the true gospel. This is because the false gospel of grace uses exactly the same vocabulary that the true gospel uses with some serious spin doctoring.

    Satan has basically invented a false gospel of grace that is every sinner's dream come true. Of course we are all sinners, but evil comes and using this false gospel of grace, tells Christians they are free to sin and delve into iniquity to the point there are now two classes of sinners these days which are 180 degrees apart when it comes to being under the dominion of sin in Satans lair. One class of sinners likes it that way, and the others want out from sin and its dominion.

    The devil has designed this false gospel of grace for the first group. The false gospel tells sinners that they are in good and regular standing in their sin, which is what some have always wanted to hear, that Jesus saves us while we keep on sinning and continue happily in its bondage.

    The true gospel is the news for every sinner who is fed up with sin and its bondage, and longing to be set free from its penalty and power and that gospel is sin shall not have dominion over us. When we accept Christ we do it with the understanding of what sin has done to us, its true price and the comprehension of its ultimate result of eternal death. We dont want its corruption to ourselves and its destructive influence over us, so we come to Christ who cleanses us from its wages and its dominion. That is the true gospel, to be alive in Christ not dead in sin, to be set free by Him from sins wages and so that sin is no longer our master, destroying and corrupting us with its evil.....

    Scripture is clear on what the true gospel is, not a license to sin but a way to become free from sin and iniquity..

    Romans 6:1-14

    1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
    2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
    3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
    4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
    5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
    6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
    7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
    8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
    9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
    10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
    11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
    13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
    14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

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    Re: The false gospel of grace

    Where does scripture ever warn against grace?
    Matt 9:13
    13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
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    Re: The false gospel of grace

    Quote Originally Posted by hobie View Post
    ....to keep you under the bondage of sin. The false gospel of grace is one that has been cleverly devised for these last days which is almost impossible to differentiate from the true gospel. This is because the false gospel of grace uses exactly the same vocabulary that the true gospel uses with some serious spin doctoring.

    Satan has basically invented a false gospel of grace that is every sinner's dream come true. Of course we are all sinners, but evil comes and using this false gospel of grace, tells Christians they are free to sin and delve into iniquity to the point there are now two classes of sinners these days which are 180 degrees apart when it comes to being under the dominion of sin in Satans lair. One class of sinners likes it that way, and the others want out from sin and its dominion.

    The devil has designed this false gospel of grace for the first group. The false gospel tells sinners that they are in good and regular standing in their sin, which is what some have always wanted to hear, that Jesus saves us while we keep on sinning and continue happily in its bondage.

    The true gospel is the news for every sinner who is fed up with sin and its bondage, and longing to be set free from its penalty and power and that gospel is sin shall not have dominion over us. When we accept Christ we do it with the understanding of what sin has done to us, its true price and the comprehension of its ultimate result of eternal death. We dont want its corruption to ourselves and its destructive influence over us, so we come to Christ who cleanses us from its wages and its dominion. That is the true gospel, to be alive in Christ not dead in sin, to be set free by Him from sins wages and so that sin is no longer our master, destroying and corrupting us with its evil.....

    Scripture is clear on what the true gospel is, not a license to sin but a way to become free from sin and iniquity..

    Romans 6:1-14

    1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
    2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
    3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
    4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
    5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
    6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
    7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
    8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
    9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
    10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
    11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
    13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
    14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
    I've never heard any "leader" teach that grace is a license to sin. I've heard false teachers teach it's ok to sin just about as often as I've heard false teachers teach that a person can become sinless and that "they" can't sin anymore and if you want to be "like" them, follow them
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobie View Post
    ....to keep you under the bondage of sin. The false gospel of grace is one that has been cleverly devised for these last days which is almost impossible to differentiate from the true gospel. This is because the false gospel of grace uses exactly the same vocabulary that the true gospel uses with some serious spin doctoring.

    Satan has basically invented a false gospel of grace that is every sinner's dream come true. Of course we are all sinners, but evil comes and using this false gospel of grace, tells Christians they are free to sin and delve into iniquity to the point there are now two classes of sinners these days which are 180 degrees apart when it comes to being under the dominion of sin in Satans lair. One class of sinners likes it that way, and the others want out from sin and its dominion.

    The devil has designed this false gospel of grace for the first group. The false gospel tells sinners that they are in good and regular standing in their sin, which is what some have always wanted to hear, that Jesus saves us while we keep on sinning and continue happily in its bondage.

    The true gospel is the news for every sinner who is fed up with sin and its bondage, and longing to be set free from its penalty and power and that gospel is sin shall not have dominion over us. When we accept Christ we do it with the understanding of what sin has done to us, its true price and the comprehension of its ultimate result of eternal death. We dont want its corruption to ourselves and its destructive influence over us, so we come to Christ who cleanses us from its wages and its dominion. That is the true gospel, to be alive in Christ not dead in sin, to be set free by Him from sins wages and so that sin is no longer our master, destroying and corrupting us with its evil.....

    Scripture is clear on what the true gospel is, not a license to sin but a way to become free from sin and iniquity..

    Romans 6:1-14

    1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
    2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
    3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
    4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
    5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
    6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
    7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
    8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
    9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
    10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
    11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
    13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
    14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
    Yeah, I get what you mean by many today saying that grace has them covered then their ego takes over and they pridefully claim their lives of sinless perfection. I would not go so far to provoke the Lord. To me obedience is the least I can offer God. I don't claim I am justified by keeping the law but I keep it because I love the law. It guides and instructs me in the ways of love for God and man in His image.
    John 15:17 "These things I command you, that ye love one another."

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    Re: The false gospel of grace

    The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. The gospel is a message of grace to be received through faith. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed, a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation, a license to sin or salvation through sinless perfection.
    Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

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    Re: The false gospel of grace

    Quote Originally Posted by hobie View Post
    ....to keep you under the bondage of sin. The false gospel of grace is one that has been cleverly devised for these last days which is almost impossible to differentiate from the true gospel. This is because the false gospel of grace uses exactly the same vocabulary that the true gospel uses with some serious spin doctoring.

    Satan has basically invented a false gospel of grace that is every sinner's dream come true. Of course we are all sinners, but evil comes and using this false gospel of grace, tells Christians they are free to sin and delve into iniquity to the point there are now two classes of sinners these days which are 180 degrees apart when it comes to being under the dominion of sin in Satans lair. One class of sinners likes it that way, and the others want out from sin and its dominion.

    The devil has designed this false gospel of grace for the first group. The false gospel tells sinners that they are in good and regular standing in their sin, which is what some have always wanted to hear, that Jesus saves us while we keep on sinning and continue happily in its bondage.

    The true gospel is the news for every sinner who is fed up with sin and its bondage, and longing to be set free from its penalty and power and that gospel is sin shall not have dominion over us. When we accept Christ we do it with the understanding of what sin has done to us, its true price and the comprehension of its ultimate result of eternal death. We dont want its corruption to ourselves and its destructive influence over us, so we come to Christ who cleanses us from its wages and its dominion. That is the true gospel, to be alive in Christ not dead in sin, to be set free by Him from sins wages and so that sin is no longer our master, destroying and corrupting us with its evil.....

    Scripture is clear on what the true gospel is, not a license to sin but a way to become free from sin and iniquity..

    Romans 6:1-14

    1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
    2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
    3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
    4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
    5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
    6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
    7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
    8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
    9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
    10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
    11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
    13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
    14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
    This "false gospel of grace" you are speaking of is nothing new. It's the same deception that Paul spoke of in his letters to the churches all throughout the New Testament. He issues warning after warning about what genuine salvation looks like and what it consists of.

    But on the flip side of that coin ( deception ) there is another form of doctrine just as deceiving as the "false gospel of grace" .... and that is the sinless perfection lie.

    I hope this isn't what you're promoting here.

    Quote Originally Posted by hobie View Post
    ....to keep you under the bondage of sin. The false gospel of grace is one that has been cleverly devised for these last days which is almost impossible to differentiate from the true gospel. This is because the false gospel of grace uses exactly the same vocabulary that the true gospel uses with some serious spin doctoring.

    Satan has basically invented a false gospel of grace that is every sinner's dream come true. Of course we are all sinners, but evil comes and using this false gospel of grace, tells Christians they are free to sin and delve into iniquity to the point there are now two classes of sinners these days which are 180 degrees apart when it comes to being under the dominion of sin in Satans lair. One class of sinners likes it that way, and the others want out from sin and its dominion.

    The devil has designed this false gospel of grace for the first group. The false gospel tells sinners that they are in good and regular standing in their sin, which is what some have always wanted to hear, that Jesus saves us while we keep on sinning and continue happily in its bondage.

    The true gospel is the news for every sinner who is fed up with sin and its bondage, and longing to be set free from its penalty and power and that gospel is sin shall not have dominion over us. When we accept Christ we do it with the understanding of what sin has done to us, its true price and the comprehension of its ultimate result of eternal death. We dont want its corruption to ourselves and its destructive influence over us, so we come to Christ who cleanses us from its wages and its dominion. That is the true gospel, to be alive in Christ not dead in sin, to be set free by Him from sins wages and so that sin is no longer our master, destroying and corrupting us with its evil.....

    Scripture is clear on what the true gospel is, not a license to sin but a way to become free from sin and iniquity..

    Romans 6:1-14

    1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
    2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
    3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
    4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
    5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
    6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
    7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
    8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
    9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
    10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
    11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
    13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
    14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
    This "false gospel of grace" you are speaking of is nothing new. It's the same deception that Paul spoke of in his letters to the churches all throughout the New Testament. He issues warning after warning about what genuine salvation looks like and what it consists of.

    But on the flip side of that coin ( deception ) there is another form of doctrine just as deceiving as the "false gospel of grace" .... and that is the sinless perfection lie.

    I hope this isn't what you're promoting here.

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    Re: The false gospel of grace

    Quote Originally Posted by Pbminimum View Post
    This "false gospel of grace" you are speaking of is nothing new. It's the same deception that Paul spoke of in his letters to the churches all throughout the New Testament. He issues warning after warning about what genuine salvation looks like and what it consists of.

    But on the flip side of that coin ( deception ) there is another form of doctrine just as deceiving as the "false gospel of grace" .... and that is the sinless perfection lie.

    I hope this isn't what you're promoting here.



    This "false gospel of grace" you are speaking of is nothing new. It's the same deception that Paul spoke of in his letters to the churches all throughout the New Testament. He issues warning after warning about what genuine salvation looks like and what it consists of.

    But on the flip side of that coin ( deception ) there is another form of doctrine just as deceiving as the "false gospel of grace" .... and that is the sinless perfection lie.

    I hope this isn't what you're promoting here.
    Well that is for another thread, but clearly we have to be on a path of overcoming, not immersing ourselves in sin.
    The true gospel of grace is like the example of the sickness that Jesus with great compassion healed, but also gave something even greater. Jesus went from village to village healing the people but also teaching them about the kingdom of heaven. So as Jesus traveled He not only ministered to their physical needs but He taught the people the truth about God. Sickness and disease were banished as He went, and light given as Jesus reached out and touched those many suffering and dying as well as spiritual help. The story I like to use is the man at the pool that Jesus healed and made whole, yet said what exemplifies true grace, "Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."

    John 5:13-15
    13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
    14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
    15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pbminimum View Post
    This "false gospel of grace" you are speaking of is nothing new. It's the same deception that Paul spoke of in his letters to the churches all throughout the New Testament. He issues warning after warning about what genuine salvation looks like and what it consists of.

    But on the flip side of that coin ( deception ) there is another form of doctrine just as deceiving as the "false gospel of grace" .... and that is the sinless perfection lie.

    I hope this isn't what you're promoting here.



    This "false gospel of grace" you are speaking of is nothing new. It's the same deception that Paul spoke of in his letters to the churches all throughout the New Testament. He issues warning after warning about what genuine salvation looks like and what it consists of.

    But on the flip side of that coin ( deception ) there is another form of doctrine just as deceiving as the "false gospel of grace" .... and that is the sinless perfection lie.

    I hope this isn't what you're promoting here.
    Well that is for another thread, but clearly we have to be on a path of overcoming, not immersing ourselves in sin.
    The true gospel of grace is like the example of the sickness that Jesus with great compassion healed, but also gave something even greater. Jesus went from village to village healing the people but also teaching them about the kingdom of heaven. So as Jesus traveled He not only ministered to their physical needs but He taught the people the truth about God. Sickness and disease were banished as He went, and light given as Jesus reached out and touched those many suffering and dying as well as spiritual help. The story I like to use is the man at the pool that Jesus healed and made whole, yet said what exemplifies true grace, "Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."

    John 5:13-15
    13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
    14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
    15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.

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    Re: The false gospel of grace

    Quote Originally Posted by Pbminimum View Post
    This "false gospel of grace" you are speaking of is nothing new. It's the same deception that Paul spoke of in his letters to the churches all throughout the New Testament. He issues warning after warning about what genuine salvation looks like and what it consists of.

    But on the flip side of that coin ( deception ) there is another form of doctrine just as deceiving as the "false gospel of grace" .... and that is the sinless perfection lie.

    I hope this isn't what you're promoting here.
    There is no such thing as a false gospel of grace. The gospel is full of grace. However, there is a false gospel of licentiousness or license.
    Matt 9:13
    13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    There is no such thing as a false gospel of grace. The gospel is full of grace. However, there is a false gospel of licentiousness or license.
    Amen. That's why it's in "parenthesis". A "false gospel of grace" is not a gospel but deception and trodden under foot the Son of God. - Hebrews 10 - 13

    This was my point , as I believe you already knew.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    There is no such thing as a false gospel of grace. The gospel is full of grace. However, there is a false gospel of licentiousness or license.
    Amen. That's why it's in "parenthesis". A "false gospel of grace" is not a gospel but deception and trodden under foot the Son of God. - Hebrews 10 - 13

    This was my point , as I believe you already knew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hobie View Post
    Well that is for another thread, but clearly we have to be on a path of overcoming, not immersing ourselves in sin.
    The true gospel of grace is like the example of the sickness that Jesus with great compassion healed, but also gave something even greater. Jesus went from village to village healing the people but also teaching them about the kingdom of heaven. So as Jesus traveled He not only ministered to their physical needs but He taught the people the truth about God. Sickness and disease were banished as He went, and light given as Jesus reached out and touched those many suffering and dying as well as spiritual help. The story I like to use is the man at the pool that Jesus healed and made whole, yet said what exemplifies true grace, "Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."

    John 5:13-15
    13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
    14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
    15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
    I agree that we are to be made into the image of Christ and our lives are a process of sanctification. But we also need to remain humble on that path that we ourselves do not get boastful or prideful , because if we do , we've already set ourselves up for a fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pbminimum View Post
    Amen. That's why it's in "parenthesis". A "false gospel of grace" is not a gospel but deception and trodden under foot the Son of God. - Hebrews 10 - 13

    This was my point , as I believe you already knew.
    Yes. I don't think we should even use the words "false gospel of grace" as it is deceiving about the gospel in many, many ways.

    God bless!
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    13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
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    Re: The false gospel of grace

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    Yes. I don't think we should even use the words "false gospel of grace" as it is deceiving about the gospel in many, many ways.

    God bless!
    Thus why I answered the way I did
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    Yes. I don't think we should even use the words "false gospel of grace" as it is deceiving about the gospel in many, many ways.

    God bless!
    Amen.. I understand and agree.

    It's a slippery slope when perfection enters the vocabulary of a Christian. Perfect by the blood ? ABSOLUTELY. Perfect in our performance ? NEVER.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    Yes. I don't think we should even use the words "false gospel of grace" as it is deceiving about the gospel in many, many ways.

    God bless!
    Amen.. I understand and agree.

    It's a slippery slope when perfection enters the vocabulary of a Christian. Perfect by the blood ? ABSOLUTELY. Perfect in our performance ? NEVER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    Yes. I don't think we should even use the words "false gospel of grace" as it is deceiving about the gospel in many, many ways.
    Agreed.



    Here's a quote that goes along with a discussion on Romans 6...


    William R Newell (1868-1956) -

    [quoting Newell, in his Commentary/book "Romans: Verse-by-Verse" under the chpt on Romans 6]

    The Place of Man under Grace:

    1. He has been accepted in Christ, who is his standing!

    2. He is not "on probation."

    3. As to his life past, it does not exist before God: he died at the Cross, and Christ is his life.

    4. Grace, once bestowed, is not withdrawn: for God knew all the human exigencies (needs) beforehand; His action was independent of them, not dependent upon them.

    5. The failure of devotion does not cause the withdrawal of bestowed grace (as it would under Law) . For example: the man in I Corinthians 5:1-5, and also those in 11:30-32, who did not "judge" themselves, and so were "judged by the Lord, -- that they might not be condemned with the world!"

    [...]

    Things Which Gracious Souls Discover

    1. To" hope to be better" is to fail to see yourself in Christ only.

    2. To be disappointed with yourself, is to have believed in yourself.

    3. To be discouraged is unbelief, -- as to God's purpose and plan of blessing for you.

    4. To be proud, is to be blind! For we have no standing before God, in ourselves.

    5. The lack of Divine blessing, therefore, comes from unbelief, and not from failure of devotion.

    6. Real devotion to God arises, not from man's will to show it; but from the discovery that blessing has been received from God while we were yet unworthy and undevoted.

    7. To preach devotion first, and blessing second, is to reverse God's order and preach Law, not grace. The Law made man's blessing depend on devotion; Grace confers undeserved, unconditional blessing: our devotion may follow, but does not always do so, -- in proper measure.

    --William R Newell, Romans: Verse-by-Verse, pages 245-247 (Chapter 6, on Romans 6)

    [author also of the Hymn "At Calvary" (1895)]

    [end quoting]

  15. #15

    Re: The false gospel of grace

    Quote Originally Posted by hobie View Post
    Scripture is clear on what the true gospel is, not a license to sin but a way to become free from sin and iniquity..
    Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    But what is sin? The breaking of the law. What is the law? The ten commandments.

    Matthew 7:17-20 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

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