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    Re: How could Adam be the only one upon the earth seen in Gen 2?

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    lol, as if Gen 1 doesn't state birds are from the water.

    It doesn't state they are from the water.


    20 Then God said, “Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens.

    21 God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.

    22 God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.



    Fish and birds are a different kind. One has its place in the sea , the other in the air and multiplies on the earth.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    It doesn't state they are from the water.
    It does say that:

    Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.


    From the waters came "the moving creature" and "fowl".

    Neither of these creatures came from the ground, only from water.
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    Re: How could Adam be the only one upon the earth seen in Gen 2?

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    It does say that:

    Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.


    From the waters came "the moving creature" and "fowl".

    Neither of these creatures came from the ground, only from water.
    You missed what I highlighted in blue in Gen 1 :21 in post 17.

    21 God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.

    22 God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.


    Not every living thing came out of the water did it. The birds clearly belong with those who came from the ground.

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    It does say that:

    Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.


    From the waters came "the moving creature" and "fowl".

    Neither of these creatures came from the ground, only from water.
    You missed what I highlighted in blue in Gen 1 :21 in post 17.

    21 God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.

    22 God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.


    Not every living thing came out of the water did it. The birds clearly belong with those who came from the ground.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Re: How could Adam be the only one upon the earth seen in Gen 2?

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    Not every living thing came out of the water did it. The birds clearly belong with those who came from the ground.
    Gen 1:20 shows you to be wrong. Birds came from the water in that verse. Verses 21 and 22 do not change that fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    To your five questions. I hope to answer them as one.

    In Genesis Chapters 1 and 2 THREE Hebrew words are used for what happened. They are;
    1. "Bara" which means "create out of nothing". This word only occurs when God CREATED the heavens and the earth in Genesis 1:1 and it is used to when Good made man, beasts and the fish.
    2. "Asah" which means "to make out of existing materials" like a carpenter "makes" a table out of wood. It is the most used word in these two Chapters
    3. "Yatsar" which mean "formed" like a potter "forms" clay into a vessel.

    When God made Adam, He "formed" Adam's body from clay,
    Per the bolded then the Gen 2 formation which was from clay cannot be the creation mentioned in Gen 1 as Gen 1 would be a creation from "nothing".

    Not sure you were trying to make that point but it sure does support my notion. Thanks!!!

    He "made" Adam's spirit from His own (already existing ) breath, and Adam's SOUL, which had never been in existence before, was "created".
    Could Adam's "spirit" (not body) be what was created out of nothing in Gen 1?

    God created, formed an made man in His likeness and image.
    In Gen 1 or Gen 2?

    So, when God declared that it was not good for man to be alone, He set about finding him a "help meet" - a "companion up to the standard of" Adam. God first parades all the animals before Adam for him to take his pick. But though the animals were dear, cute, magnificent and possessed many of God's attributes, there was not one found to be "up to his standard". So God caused a deep sleep to come over Adam and took a part of Adam (existing material) and "made" Eve (Gen.2:22).
    Agree. Good observation.

    But again was not Eve (female) supposedly initially created from nothing in Gen 1 but in Gen 2 as you point out she like Adam are created from substance already created and thus are just formed from this material created in Gen 1.

    Meaning the creation in Gen 1 is different than the formation in Gen 2......

    Not sure if your agreeing or disagree with this conclusion

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayne View Post
    OK, so which chapter - 1 or 2 - is telling the truth. One of them has to be wrong, then.
    Well of course they are both correct. As Walls supported the creation in Gen 1 was from nothing and we see in Gen 2 the formation from substances (ie clay) which was already created in Gen 1.

    So then what was the creation in Gen 1? I see all creation in Gen 1 as "spirit" in which then God instruct his creation what to do once formed in Gen 2.

    Need to ask when in the first week are spirits created? When are angels created?

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    I am sure most have come across the idea of a kind of parallelism or the creation order. As for the fish and the birds, both from Day 5, these are paralleled with the separation of the waters from the sky on Day 2. Each kind was created for those two new creations (or sometimes people refer to as 'containers'). I'm not sure whether they are created from the waters is even relevant.
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    Re: How could Adam be the only one upon the earth seen in Gen 2?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    So then what was the creation in Gen 1?
    That was the creation of every living thing that man will rule over.


    Gen
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    God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.”


    “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”


    Chap 2
    Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.



    Seeing as God completed creating every living thing and rested, makes it impossible for v 19 below to be another new act of creation.

    Adams first act of ruling everything in chap 1 , comes in v 19 below.


    19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field,


    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    So then what was the creation in Gen 1?
    That was the creation of every living thing that man will rule over.


    Gen
    1
    God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.”


    “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”


    Chap 2
    Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.



    Seeing as God completed creating every living thing and rested, makes it impossible for v 19 below to be another new act of creation.

    Adams first act of ruling everything in chap 1 , comes in v 19 below.


    19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field,
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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