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    My coming is like Noah's day.

    What do you think Jesus meant by saying his coming would be like Noah's day ?


    My thoughts lean toward an inescapable judgment for all those outside his salvation. Be it an ark or his Gospel.

    1Thess 5
    Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. 2 For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. 3 While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief; 5 for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; 6 so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    God used Noah and Lot as examples of how it will be at the end of the age. In the days of Noah, God destroyed the whole earth BUT saved Noah and eight other souls (2 Pet 2:5). Yet ONLY Noah was considered righteous. There is no indication that those of his family were any more righteous than the rest of those who perished. In fact, when one studies his children, specifically Ham, they were not particularly righteous. One of the reasons, the 8 people were spared was for the PURPOSE OF REPOPULATING THE EARTH. Likewise, the small remnant of the nations that are spared at the 2nd coming will go on to repopulate the earth.

    Likewise, Lot was considered a ”righteous soul” (2 Pet 2:8). But there is no indication that his family was anymore righteous than the rest of those who died in Sodom. His own wife was turned into a pillar of salt because of her desire for Sodom. Lot’s daughters were sexually immoral and produced Moab and Ammon through an incestual relationship. These were not righteous people but they were spared anyway. The scriptures consistently speak of God preserving a remnant of the nations for the saint to give government over in the age to come. The disciples will “Sit on thrones and judge the twelve tribes of Israel” and the saints with Christ will “tend the NATIONS with a rod of iron”. This was the apostolic belief of the early church for the first 300 years.


    REGARDING 2 Thess 1:7-10


    Where does 2 Thess 1:7-10 state, ALL the unbelievers are destroyed? Paul uses language which limits the scope of this destruction to those “who are persecuting” the church. This is not speaking about every unbeliever. Not every unbeliever actively persecuted the church.

    2Th 1:6-10 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, (7) and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, (8) in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. (9) These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, (10) when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

    Here Paul specifically identifies the target of the Lord’s judgment as those “who trouble you” or “those who afflict you”. He then shows they do so because they “do not know God and who do not obey the gospel”. “Do not obey the gospel” means they “disobey the gospel”. This is NOT TALKING about those who’ve NEVER HEARD the gospel.

    Paul was clearly using OT language found in Micah 5:15

    Micah 5:15 I will take vengeance in anger and wrath on the nations that have not obeyed me.

    This passage is about God judging the nations when the nation of Israel returns to their land. The remainer of the book includes information about the continuation of the natural order, continuation of the present earth, and natural Israel and other ideas which are incompatible with amillenialism.

    The thrust of 1 Thess 1:7-10 corroborates with Revelation 19:17-21 and the armies that gather against Christ at His coming are destroyed by fire. Armies don’t represent the entire world.

    Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

    This is the same army as found in Zechariah 14 and Isaiah, which persecutes the saints at the end of the age. This is not referencing survivors who never persecuted the saints.

    Isa 34:2-9 For the indignation of the LORD is against all nations, And Hisfury against all their armies; He has utterly destroyed them, He has given them over to the slaughter. … (8) For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, The year of recompense for the cause of Zion.

    Isaiah says it’s specifically against the armies from all nations. NOT EVERY HUMAN IS IN THE ARMY.

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    Re: My coming is like Noah's day.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    What do you think Jesus meant by saying his coming would be like Noah's day ?


    My thoughts lean toward an inescapable judgment for all those outside his salvation. Be it an ark or his Gospel.

    1Thess 5
    Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. 2 For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. 3 While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief; 5 for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; 6 so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober.
    The Flood was to put an end to the out-of-control wickedness and mass violence of the culture in Noah's area of the world. It also showed that God would not put an end to His plan to have Man fill the earth with those created in His own image.

    Christ's Coming is compared to this because it is assumed the world will once again become wicked and massively violent. And the judgment that began with Israel would then be visited upon all the nations of the earth, since the gospel of Christ will have been preached to them.

    What we have is a repeat in the NT era of what happened in the OT era. What happened to Israel will also happen to the nations of the earth. As Israel received the Law of God, and then abandoned it en masse, so also will the gospel be preached to all nations, with all those nations also abandoning Christianity or rejecting Christianity.

    As Israel was judged, along with her enemy neighbors around her, so will Christian nations be judged in our era, along with the nations hostile to Christianity.

    I do believe, like Beginner, that the forces of Antichrist, which I believe will be in Europe, will be defeated at the return of Christ. This is the heart of old Christian Civilization. After its continual decline away from Christian morality, it will, like ancient Israel, be ripe for divine judgment.

    But the nations that oppose formerly Christian Europe will be equally judged at the return of Christ. This sounds like a universal judgment, much as the Flood was universal in the civilization of Noah's time. It covered, I believe, that portion of the earth where Noah lived.

    So the idea is simply to remove from mankind those who have refused to live in the image of God, which is what Man was created for. The removal of wicked men is compared to a kind of bon fire, in which debris, or trash, is removed, where it is not wanted. It has, I think, less to do with torturing sinners than with removing them from an otherwise peaceful earth.

    But it is more than a bon fire--it is a lake of fire. Lakes, in this case, can be enormously large, and can contain many people. So this endtime "flood" is, in a sense, reduced to a "lake," where judgment is brought and completed. No more destroying the world. Only the removal of the wicked.

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    Re: My coming is like Noah's day.

    On my earlier post, I gave a reply to 2 Thess 2 and should have also included my reply to 1 Thess 5. However the edit button is not working. I was preemptively addressing 2 Thess 2 in my head Are you guys having any trouble with the edit feature?

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    Re: My coming is like Noah's day.

    Yes Bibleforums need to fix the edit function and stop the embarrassing double posts.

    As it was in the Days of Noah:
    1 Thessalonians 5:3-5 You friends, are not in the dark, that Day will not come upon you like a thief. You are children of the Light, of the day. We do not belong to night and darkness. But while they are saying: all is peaceful, all secure; then destruction is upon them, suddenly as the pangs that come upon a woman in childbirth and there will be no escape.

    You My friends’ - Those who love Him and keep His commands.
    John 15:14-15 You are My friends if you do what I command you. No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is about, I call you friends because I have disclosed to you everything that I heard from the Father.

    ‘that Day’- Jesus quoted Isaiah 61:1-2a at the commencement of His ministry. He stopped at ‘and a Day of vengeance of our God’.
    That day, therefore; must be the next prophesied event.
    It is wrong to think ‘that Day’ is the Return of Jesus in His glory, for these main reasons;
    1/ The situation will hardly be: ‘all is peaceful’, at the end of the Tribulation and with the Anti Christ’s army coming to attack Jerusalem!
    2/ The Return will not come ‘as a thief’, that is unexpectedly, because as anyone with a Bible can read that after the AC places his image in the Temple, it will be 1260 days, then the Return.
    3/ As described to us in many prophecies, the Day of wrath is a worldwide event, on all nations, an event of Noahic proportions:
    Zephaniah 1:7 Keep silent in the presence of the Lord, for the Day of the Lord is near, the Lord has prepared a sacrifice and set apart those His has invited.Romans 9:22
    Isaiah 13:9 The Day of the Lord is coming, that cruel Day of wrath and fierce anger, to reduce the earth to a desolation and to destroy the wicked there.
    Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all the proud evildoers will be as stubble, that Day will set them ablaze leaving them neither root nor branch.
    Revelation 6:17 For the great Day of their wrath has come and who can stand?

    like a thief’- That is, unexpectedly to all the godless peoples and to those who have ignored or failed to understand the prophetic warnings.
    Revelation 3:3 If you do not wake up, you will not know the moment of My coming.
    Revelation 16:15 See: I am coming unexpectedly. Happy is the one who stays awake and ready.
    Isaiah 46:10 From the beginning I reveal the end, from ancient times what is yet to be.

    children of the light’-
    1 Thess. 5:8 We who belong in the light, must keep prepared and armed with salvation.
    Isaiah 42:6 I have formed and destined you to be a light to the nations.....

    ‘they say; all is peaceful, all secure’- The enemy nations prepare a surprise attack on Israel.
    Micah 4:12 They do not understand God’s purposes, they are gathered like sheaves on the threshing floor.
    Matthew 24:37-44 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be when the Son of Man comes. Then they ate, drank and married right up to the day Noah went into the ark. They knew nothing until the flood came and swept them all away. That is how it will be when the Son of Man comes. Be ready, therefore, lest He comes when you are unprepared.

    ‘suddenly destruction is upon them’- This is the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, prophesied over 100 times in the Bible and accurately described as a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26
    Isaiah 47:8-11 Listen to this, you lovers of luxury, living carefree and thinking you will never be in mourning. Suddenly, in a single Day disaster will come upon you.
    Jeremiah 25:32-33 The Lord says: Ruin spreads from nation to nation. A mighty tempest blows up and those whom the Lord has slain on that Day will lie scattered all over the world.

    ‘there will be no escape’-Everyone will be affected, this Day will come upon everyone. Luke 21:35
    Romans 2:3 Do you imagine that you can escape the judgement of God?
    Isaiah 2:19 They will creep into caves to hide when the Lord strikes the world with terror.
    Revelation 6:16-17 They called out: Hide us from the wrath of God and the Lamb’.
    Ref: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.

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    Re: My coming is like Noah's day.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    What do you think Jesus meant by saying his coming would be like Noah's day ?


    My thoughts lean toward an inescapable judgment for all those outside his salvation. Be it an ark or his Gospel.

    1Thess 5
    Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. 2 For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. 3 While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief; 5 for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; 6 so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober.
    Matthew 24-36-41
    36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

    Jesus was referring to that the days of Noah that no one expected it as the verse right before verse 37 states

    I believe Jesus is also referring to His coming in judgement upon Jerusalem in 70AD as the Jews didn’t expect to be concurred by the Romans because they thought that God would save them.

    The ones taken in verses 30-41 are taken in judgement just like the ones taken by the flood in Noah’s time in verse 39 were taken in judgement as in Noah’s day it was better to of been left behind than taken away

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    Re: My coming is like Noah's day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    Yes Bibleforums need to fix the edit function and stop the embarrassing double posts.

    As it was in the Days of Noah:
    1 Thessalonians 5:3-5 You friends, are not in the dark, that Day will not come upon you like a thief. You are children of the Light, of the day. We do not belong to night and darkness. But while they are saying: all is peaceful, all secure; then destruction is upon them, suddenly as the pangs that come upon a woman in childbirth and there will be no escape.

    You My friends’ - Those who love Him and keep His commands.
    John 15:14-15 You are My friends if you do what I command you. No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is about, I call you friends because I have disclosed to you everything that I heard from the Father.

    ‘that Day’- Jesus quoted Isaiah 61:1-2a at the commencement of His ministry. He stopped at ‘and a Day of vengeance of our God’.
    That day, therefore; must be the next prophesied event.
    It is wrong to think ‘that Day’ is the Return of Jesus in His glory, for these main reasons;
    1/ The situation will hardly be: ‘all is peaceful’, at the end of the Tribulation and with the Anti Christ’s army coming to attack Jerusalem!
    2/ The Return will not come ‘as a thief’, that is unexpectedly, because as anyone with a Bible can read that after the AC places his image in the Temple, it will be 1260 days, then the Return.
    3/ As described to us in many prophecies, the Day of wrath is a worldwide event, on all nations, an event of Noahic proportions:
    Zephaniah 1:7 Keep silent in the presence of the Lord, for the Day of the Lord is near, the Lord has prepared a sacrifice and set apart those His has invited.Romans 9:22
    Isaiah 13:9 The Day of the Lord is coming, that cruel Day of wrath and fierce anger, to reduce the earth to a desolation and to destroy the wicked there.
    Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all the proud evildoers will be as stubble, that Day will set them ablaze leaving them neither root nor branch.
    Revelation 6:17 For the great Day of their wrath has come and who can stand?

    like a thief’- That is, unexpectedly to all the godless peoples and to those who have ignored or failed to understand the prophetic warnings.
    Revelation 3:3 If you do not wake up, you will not know the moment of My coming.
    Revelation 16:15 See: I am coming unexpectedly. Happy is the one who stays awake and ready.
    Isaiah 46:10 From the beginning I reveal the end, from ancient times what is yet to be.

    children of the light’-
    1 Thess. 5:8 We who belong in the light, must keep prepared and armed with salvation.
    Isaiah 42:6 I have formed and destined you to be a light to the nations.....

    ‘they say; all is peaceful, all secure’- The enemy nations prepare a surprise attack on Israel.
    Micah 4:12 They do not understand God’s purposes, they are gathered like sheaves on the threshing floor.
    Matthew 24:37-44 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be when the Son of Man comes. Then they ate, drank and married right up to the day Noah went into the ark. They knew nothing until the flood came and swept them all away. That is how it will be when the Son of Man comes. Be ready, therefore, lest He comes when you are unprepared.

    ‘suddenly destruction is upon them’- This is the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, prophesied over 100 times in the Bible and accurately described as a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26
    Isaiah 47:8-11 Listen to this, you lovers of luxury, living carefree and thinking you will never be in mourning. Suddenly, in a single Day disaster will come upon you.
    Jeremiah 25:32-33 The Lord says: Ruin spreads from nation to nation. A mighty tempest blows up and those whom the Lord has slain on that Day will lie scattered all over the world.

    ‘there will be no escape’-Everyone will be affected, this Day will come upon everyone. Luke 21:35
    Romans 2:3 Do you imagine that you can escape the judgement of God?
    Isaiah 2:19 They will creep into caves to hide when the Lord strikes the world with terror.
    Revelation 6:16-17 They called out: Hide us from the wrath of God and the Lamb’.
    Ref: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.
    If you click go advanced when you reply to a post it won’t double post

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    Re: My coming is like Noah's day.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Beginner View Post
    On my earlier post, I gave a reply to 2 Thess 2 and should have also included my reply to 1 Thess 5. However the edit button is not working. I was preemptively addressing 2 Thess 2 in my head Are you guys having any trouble with the edit feature?
    Nobody seems to be fixing it. In the meantime, in case you really, really need to edit your post, click on the vB4 default style on the bottom left of your page, and change it to "default mobile style." Then there is an icon (a pencil?) you can click on that enables you to edit your post. "Save" the post. Then scroll to the bottom, and you can select "Full Site" to return to the normal use.

    As the other brother said, you can avoid the double posts by using "Go Advanced" for every post. What a bother!

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    Re: My coming is like Noah's day.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    What do you think Jesus meant by saying his coming would be like Noah's day ?


    My thoughts lean toward an inescapable judgment for all those outside his salvation. Be it an ark or his Gospel.

    1Thess 5
    Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. 2 For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. 3 While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief; 5 for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; 6 so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober.
    Just to be sure of your question, I post the pertinent verses.

    Matthew 24:37:
    37 "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark"


    Luke 17:26-27:
    26 "And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
    27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all."


    The meaning of the above statements by our Lord Jesus is that the EVENTS, BEHAVIOR and ATTITUDE of men on earth will be the SAME as they were in the days leading up to the flood. They were:
    • That the wickedness of man was great in the earth (Gen.6:5)
    • That every imagination of the thoughts of a man's heart was only evil continually (Gen.6:5)
    • Sexual offense - Angels mixing with human women to try to corrupt the "Seed of the woman" that had been promised (Gen.6:4)
    • Corruption - the Hebrew indicates that the activities of men were causing the earth to be polluted and to decay (Gen.6:11)
    • Violence - the shedding of innocent blood (Gen.6:11)
    • Increase of bodily harm among men (Gen.6:12). The Hebrew indicates "spoiling by violence", probably from tattoos and piercings, to suicide

    There were also very normal activities like:
    • Increase in population (Gen.6:1)
    • Eating
    • Drinking
    • Marriage

    The information that our Lord wanted to transmit is that (1) it would be OBSERVED that sexual sin like angels mixing with women, homosexuality and bestiality would increase exponentially accompanied by increase in the murder rate (including abortion) and war and sickness, (2) at the same time life would continue NORMALLY in most areas, dulling the sense of urgency.

    Noah was spared for TWO reasons:
    1. His "generations were perfect". The mixing of angles and women was for one purpose only - to corrupt man's seed so that the Messiah promised to Eve could not be 100% mankind. Only a Man could be a Savior of men. In the case of Noah, his "generations (plural) were perfect. That means that the corrupting influence of other seed had not touched him. His lineage back to Adam was pure, and his sons were seed of Noah - 100% mankind
    2. He was righteous. That is, his actions were in accordance with God's principles and commands.

    Noah - a picture of the Overcomers
    Noah is a TYPE of the Overcomers of the Church
    • Their "generation" is perfect. To be caught away to the air to "stand before the Son of man" in the clouds, a man must be a Christian. He must be BORN again from above. That is, the WAY, and WITH WHAT, he was "generated" is decisive. He/she must beBORNof the Holy Spirit. "Seed of the Serpent" and the "generation of vipers" CANNOT ESCAPE the events that will befall the earth just before Christ's return
    • They must be righteous. A believer has God's righteousness IMPUTED to him/her when they are born again. This is to EQUIP them with the ability to approach a Holy God and to allow a Holy God to dwell IN them. But the believer must also do RIGHTEOUS WORKS. Righteous works are those works that God has ordained, and commanded the Christian to do. Any other works, even if they are good works, if they have not been ORDERED by God, are counted as INIQUITY (Matt.7:21-23).

    It is a contentious issue that is not often spoken about in Churches today, but if NORMAL things were happening in Noah's day, like eating, drinking and marriage, and human MEN and human WOMEN were reproducing children, it is unavoidable that there were many men and women whose "generation" was "perfect". But these perished in the flood too. Why? Because they were involved in the other things like violence, sexual offense and/or corruption. That is, they had to face the universal judgement not because their "generation" was incorrect, but because they were UNRIGHTEOUS. SO ALSO WILL IT BE AT THE COMING OF THE LORD. There will be many Christians, born again and saved from a future in the Lake of Fire, BUT WHOSE DAILY ACTIVITIES ARE UNRIGHTEOUS! They will NOT be raptured before the "RAIN" starts - before the onset of the Great Tribulation - but only AFTER IT. The innumerable multitude in Revelation 7:9-17 are notable in TWO things;
    1. They are unquestionably connected to the Lamb
    2. They passed through the Great Tribulation

    And this sobering fact is hardly taught in the Local Churches today!

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    Re: My coming is like Noah's day.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    What do you think Jesus meant by saying his coming would be like Noah's day ?

    My thoughts lean toward an inescapable judgment for all those outside his salvation. Be it an ark or his Gospel.

    1Thess 5
    Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. 2 For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. 3 While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief; 5 for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; 6 so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober.
    You're right. People are waiting to reign with Jesus. It's like his victory is meaningless to them. How sad.

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    Re: My coming is like Noah's day.

    Quote Originally Posted by journeyman View Post
    You're right. People are waiting to reign with Jesus. It's like his victory is meaningless to them. How sad.
    Or... maybe its because John was writing AFTER the resurrection of Christ (96AD) and spoke of the reign of the saints with Christ as a FUTURE reality. Notice that he used the greek future tense (Shall reign) instead of the present tense.

    Rev 5:10* And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth."*

    Rev 20:6* Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

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    Re: My coming is like Noah's day.

    2 Thessalonians 1:7-10... To give relief to you who are afflicted, to us as well, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in blazing fire. There He will punish those who refuse to acknowledge God and will not obey the gospel. They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction, cut off from the Presence of the Lord when He comes to reveal His glory amongst all believers.
    This is a controversial passage, because depending on how you look at the end times, you can read it as one event- that is the judgement of the nations/wicked peoples and the Lord’s Return, simultaneously or as two separate events, perhaps years apart.
    Careful analysis of this Bible passage and parallel scriptures shows that in fact the judgement ‘in blazing fire’ does occur first and His enemies ‘suffer the penalty of eternal destruction’.
    At the same time, the Lord comes to 'reveal His glory’ to His own people. As we see in Revelation 14:1 and Isaiah 24:23

    Here are Scriptures that describe the glorious second coming of the Lord Jesus, when all the world will see Him, that will come after all that is prophesied for the last days:
    Zechariah 14:2-5 I shall gather the nations to make war on Jerusalem; the city will be taken....Then the Lord will go out and fight them....On that Day, His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives. Then the Lord will appear, attended by all His holy ones.[angels, proved by Matthew 25:31
    Matthew 24:30 Then will appear in heaven the sign that heralds the Son of Man... they will see Him coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    Revelation 19:11-21 I saw heaven wide open and a white horse appeared, its Rider’s name was Faithful and True.....He was robed in a garment dyed in blood....He will rule the nations with a rod of iron and carry out the wrath of God..... against the Beast and the kings of the earth with their armies mustered to do battle..... the rest are killed by the sword which came out of the Rider’s mouth.
    Jesus returns in power and glory, visible to all when He destroys the armies attacking Jerusalem. This happens at the end of the Tribulation period and is the commencement of His Millennial reign. Note that He appears ‘robed in a garment dyed in blood’. This means that He has carried out a judgement before His Return in glory.
    Isaiah 63:3-4 I have trodden the press alone, I trod the nations in My anger, their blood spattered My garments. I resolved on a Day of vengeance, the Year for redeeming My own had come. Rev. 14:17-20

    More prophesies on the event called the “Day of vengeance” or “the Day of God’s wrath”:
    2 Samuel 22:8-16 and Psalms 18:7-15 He parted the heavens and came down. The earth shook and quaked because of His anger. Smoke and devouring fire came from Him. He swooped on the wind, covered by darkness and dense vapour. Thick clouds went before Him, with thunder, hail and glowing coals. He loosed His arrows far and wide and hurled lightning bolts round His enemies.
    Habakkuk 3:12 Furiously You traverse the earth, in anger You trample down the nations.
    Isaiah 66:15-16 See, the Lord is coming in fire, like a whirlwind, bringing retribution in His furious anger. The Lord will judge with fire and many will be slain by Him.
    Hebrews 10:27...a terrifying expectation of judgement – a fierce fire that will consume God’s enemies.
    Reference: REB some verses condensed.

    Although, at the Lord’s Return, there will be a judgement – of the Anti Christ and his armies, this isn’t the same as the worldwide event described above, to happen earlier. Jesus does NOT Return 'in fire' and the armies He destroys are for the carrion birds and beasts to eat.

    This terrible, devastating worldwide disaster, will be triggered by an attack by an Islamic confederation on the State of Israel. It will change the world and a One World Government will be formed, but the Lord’s faithful righteous people will gather and live in all of the Holy Land.

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    Re: My coming is like Noah's day.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Beginner View Post
    Or... maybe its because John was writing AFTER the resurrection of Christ (96AD) and spoke of the reign of the saints with Christ as a FUTURE reality. Notice that he used the greek future tense (Shall reign) instead of the present tense.
    Shall reign because of what Jesus did, not shall reign in the distant future.

    Rev 5:10* And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth."*
    for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; Rev.5:9

    They're saying we shall reign because of and by the example Jesus showed and reigned in victory over all the powers of darkness.

    Rev 20:6* Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
    The 1st resurrection is being made alive in Christ. And what damage did the devil do to us when the we were done reigning by our King? Nothing,

    Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Lk.10:19

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    Re: My coming is like Noah's day.

    Quote Originally Posted by journeyman View Post
    Shall reign because of what Jesus did, not shall reign in the distant future.

    for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; Rev.5:9

    They're saying we shall reign because of and by the example Jesus showed and reigned in victory over all the powers of darkness.

    The 1st resurrection is being made alive in Christ. And what damage did the devil do to us when the we were done reigning by our King? Nothing,

    Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Lk.10:19
    Agreed well said

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    Re: My coming is like Noah's day.

    A close examining of the days of Noah found in Matt 24 & Luke 21 provides good insight into the last days.

    Luk 17:22-37 KJVAnd he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is REVEALED. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
    Mat 24:26-28 KJVWherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming/PAROUSIA of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
    Mat 24:36-42 KJVBut of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

    What we find is that this is about more than just the "days" of Noah. The comparison is of a broad nature. Let me present the comparative aspects of "the days of Noah" with the "days of the coming of Christ".

    1.DAYS before Noah entered the ark.
    2. The DAY Noah entered the ark.
    3. The DAY the flood came.
    4. DAYS between #2 & #3.

    I. DAYS before the Revelation of
    Jesus.
    II. The Revelation of Jesus.
    III. The Coming of Jesus.
    IV. DAYS between the revelation and coming.

    From the discourses we read of the importance of two distinct references to THAT DAY in describing the days of Noah. They are:
    1. The DAY Noah entered the ark, and
    2. The DAY the flood came 7 days later.

    This distinction of DAY's is also found within the DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN. Let me give two examples from Paul's writings that illustrate these two distinct days.

    *[[2Th 2:1]] KJV* Now we beseech you, brethren, by the "COMING" of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our "GATHERING TOGETHER" unto him,

    *[[2Ti 4:1]] KJV* I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his "APPEARING" and his "KINGDOM ";

    We have the use of the literal example found in the Days of Noah (entering & the flood). The elements of this distinction are found in the qualitative comparison of different days regarding the coming of Christ. We find one element referring to ALL being destroyed, and the other element referring to HALF taken and/or HALF left. What we find is that one of the elements is referring to his coming/ parousia in Matthew, and revealing in Luke. While the other element refers to his coming (or that day that no man knows). From Luke's explanation that all these things must take place (Luke 21:31) prior to the kingdom being NIGH, we can understand that THAT DAY [that no man knows] is synonymously known as the gathering of the elect and the Day of his coming. All 3 synoptic gospels include Jesus "coming with power & glory" as a sign that will take place before the kingdom arrives. It is the Day that no man knows because it is a distinctly different day [of the Lord] that will be the worst of all time.

    What we find in Matthew is that HALF will be taken on the day referred to as the parousia. And in Luke we find that same phrase "HALF will be taken" on what Jesus refers to as "THAT DAY" and "THAT NIGHT" referring to the day that Jesus is revealed. In both gospels we find TWO "people"... one is taken and one is left.

    But when we look at the phrase the refers to ALL ARE DESTROYED, we find Matthew referring directly to the flood itself. Whereas, Luke gives two examples.
    1. When the flood CAME, &
    2. The DAY that Lot left Sodom.
    He said they were ALL destroyed, when,
    A. The flood CAME, [erchomai]
    B. Lot "CAME" out of Sodom. [The word came is exerchomai, a past tense expression of the word translated as come, erchomai.]

    In both examples, the comparative allusion is to the coming/ erchomai of Jesus. When Jesus comes [erchomai, and not at the parousia], the point is made that ALL will be destroyed, and not just HALF will be taken!

    In Matthew, Jesus says that people will be marrying and giving in marriage [with blind awareness] after the parousia (entering the ark 7 days before), the SAME manner, as they were before the parousia takes place [equated to the days BEFORE Noah entered the ark]. The result? Both Matthew & Luke refer to this day when "half shall be taken" as likened unto when lightning shines from the east unto the west. Matthew specifically calls this the parousia:

    *[[Mat 24:27]] KJV* For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming (parousia) of the Son of man be.

    *[[Luk 17:24]] KJV* For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in HIS DAY.

    Notice how Luke says "his day", referring to a singular day.

    *[[Luk 17:30]] KJV* Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

    Luke follows this by saying that "one shall be taken... one left".

    The DAY of Christ, aka, the DAY of the Son of man, aka, the Day that no man knows [how bad it will be] is the Day of the Lord, the Day that the kingdom of God shall come.

    *[[Luk 17:20]] KJV* And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: [i.e. you know not the day or the hour].

    *[[Joe 2:2]] KJV* A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

    So let us now equate things together.

    A. The days before Noah entered the ark equates to the days before the parousia/ revealing takes place.

    B. AT the parousia/ revealing, HALF will be taken and HALF will be left.

    C. AFTER the parousia/ revealing takes place, the people that remain, will behave the same as they did before the rapture... eating, drinking, marrying, giving in marriage. This is the basis for Peter saying this:

    2Pe 3:3-4 KJVKnowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming/PAROUSIA ? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

    D. When Jesus COMES at his coming with the kingdom, ALL will given to the hand of destruction. The man of sin is the son of perdition/ destruction.

    *[[Luk 17:27]] KJV* They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed/(apollumi) them all.

    Be Blessed,
    The PuP

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