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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDivineWatermark View Post
    I believe Peter, in Acts 3:12-26, Peter is giving some very important info regarding "timing" issues (where in this passage there are TWO distinct "raise" usages: one with regard to His being "raised" to a position of prominence BEFORE His death; the other speaking of His being "raised" from the dead... and Peter is saying that they had overlooked/missed the "[My/His] Servant Jesus" aspects of the OT prophecies regarding Him, thus "fulfilling" that very thing, themselves [by having Him killed]).

    Aside from that, think of this passage also (way before "the Cross"):

    Matthew 2 -

    The Pilgrimage of the Magi

    1 Now Jesus having been born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, Magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem, 2 saying, “Where is the One having been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.”

    3 And King Herod having heard this, was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 And having assembled all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he was inquiring of them where the Christ was to be born.

    5 And they said to him, “In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus has it been written through the prophet:

    6 ‘And you, Bethlehem, land of Judah,

    are by no means least among the rulers of Judah,

    for out of you will come forth One leading,

    who will shepherd My people Israel.’”

    7 Then Herod, having called the Magi secretly, inquired of them the exact time of the star appearing.
    So do you agree that He is king and reigns now

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by journeyman View Post
    You just turned the key that unlocks all scripture.
    Nope. Jesus WILL reign because of what He has done.
    He COULD have reigned because of WHO He is, but scripture tells us that He chose NOT to do that.

    Php 2:6* who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,*
    Php 2:7* but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.*
    Php 2:8* And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.*
    Php 2:9* Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,*
    Php 2:10* so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,*
    Php 2:11* and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.*

    Note that this statement, in verse 10 shows that it is something that is deserved right now, but is not yet. One day though it will be true.

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    Nope. Jesus WILL reign because of what He has done.
    No. We recognize Jesus has always reigned because of what he has done.

    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    He COULD have reigned because of WHO He is, but scripture tells us that He chose NOT to do that.

    Php 2:6* who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,*
    Php 2:7* but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.*
    Php 2:8* And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.*
    Php 2:9* Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,*
    Php 2:10* so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,*
    Php 2:11* and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.*

    Note that this statement, in verse 10 shows that it is something that is deserved right now, but is not yet. One day though it will be true.
    No. The point is, sinners better recognize its deserved right now, but even if they don't, its no less true.

    And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Jn.17:5

    Do you really believe that just because the evil don't honor God, God doesn't reign over the earth?

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    Nope. Jesus WILL reign because of what He has done.
    He COULD have reigned because of WHO He is, but scripture tells us that He chose NOT to do that.

    Php 2:6* who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,*
    Php 2:7* but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.*
    Php 2:8* And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.*
    Php 2:9* Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,*
    Php 2:10* so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,*
    Php 2:11* and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.*

    Note that this statement, in verse 10 shows that it is something that is deserved right now, but is not yet. One day though it will be true.
    Paul teaches that Jesus does reign until he puts all enemies under his feet.

    1 Corinthians 15:25
    For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    So do you agree that He is king and reigns now
    It comes across to me as though you haven't cast so much as a glance toward the Acts 3:12-26 passage I pointed out (alongside what I pointed out about it).

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by TMarcum View Post
    Paul teaches that Jesus does reign until he puts all enemies under his feet.

    1 Corinthians 15:25
    For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
    Actually Paul teaches that He reigns AFTER we have been resurrected.
    At the moment Jesus is at the right-hand of the Father interceding with the Father on our behalf.
    However that is a topic for another thread.

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by TMarcum View Post
    Paul teaches that Jesus does reign until he puts all enemies under his feet.

    1 Corinthians 15:25
    For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
    Check out verse 23, here:

    https://bibleforums.org/showthread.p...67#post3509067

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by journeyman View Post
    No. We recognize Jesus has always reigned because of what he has done.
    So He was ALREADY reigning and left His throne...

    No. The point is, sinners better recognize its deserved right now, but even if they don't, its no less true.
    And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Jn.17:5
    Do you really believe that just because the evil don't honor God, God doesn't reign over the earth?
    Actually has NOTHING to do with sinners recognising it.
    God reigns over the earth, but this is as the Father NOT as the Son.
    Also His reign is from heaven and NOT on the earth.
    There will be changes with the NHNE.

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    So do you agree that He is king and reigns now
    When it states, born king of the Jews, does that mean at the moment of birth He is king?
    Assuredly not, it means he is the one who WILL BE King of the Jews.
    When He rode on a donkey into Jerusalem, then the crowd acclaimed Him King, yet He did NOT take the Kingship.
    This was an acclamation of people of WHO He was, but they had the timing wrong.
    Rev 7 we see a FUTURE acclamation of AFTER the GT, and this time, the timing will be correct.

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Beginner View Post
    Your position does not answer the details of Isa 24 though. In that passage the demonic host of heaven is cast into prison AT THE SAME TIME that the “King’s of the earth” are imprisioned to await a final judgment.
    The demons and those who love demons are imprisoned awaiting final judgment. People don't see sin as bondage.

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    Actually Paul teaches that He reigns AFTER we have been resurrected.
    At the moment Jesus is at the right-hand of the Father interceding with the Father on our behalf.
    However that is a topic for another thread.

    Examine the context a little deeper. It says that in Christ shall all be made alive......Then cometh the end, "when" he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God......"when" he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. It then goes on to say he must reign till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

    His reign is before he puts down all rule and all authority and power. He puts it down "when" he delivers up the kingdom to God. So sorry my friend, it is before we have been resurrected.

    1 Corinthians 15:
    22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
    24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
    25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
    26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by TMarcum View Post
    Examine the context a little deeper. It says that in Christ shall all be made alive......Then cometh the end, "when" he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God......"when" he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. It then goes on to say he must reign till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

    His reign is before he puts down all rule and all authority and power. He puts it down "when" he delivers up the kingdom to God. So sorry my friend, it is before we have been resurrected.

    1 Corinthians 15:
    22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
    24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
    25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
    26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
    His reign is indeed BEFORE He puts His enemies under his feet. That is NOT in question, the question though is WHEN does He START that reign.
    Note "the end" is AFTER man in his order who are Christ's.
    So there is a period of time AFTER we are raised DURING which His reign lasts.

    Rev 11 speaks of when that reign STARTS.
    Jesus also spoke about it in Luke 19 in the parable of the noble who went to a far country to be crowned.
    His reign STARTS when the 7th trumpet is blown. Now IF you are Preterist, that is in the past, but for everybody else this is a FUTURE event.

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    His reign is indeed BEFORE He puts His enemies under his feet. That is NOT in question, the question though is WHEN does He START that reign.
    Note "the end" is AFTER man in his order who are Christ's.
    So there is a period of time AFTER we are raised DURING which His reign lasts.

    Rev 11 speaks of when that reign STARTS.
    Jesus also spoke about it in Luke 19 in the parable of the noble who went to a far country to be crowned.
    His reign STARTS when the 7th trumpet is blown. Now IF you are Preterist, that is in the past, but for everybody else this is a FUTURE event.
    Yes, there is a period after we are raised "called the end" which is eternity. But this is not during the time of his reign and the text clearly states this. The text states he must reign "till" he hath put all enemies under his feet. Then comes the end.

    So my friend, Christ reign is now.

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by TMarcum View Post
    Examine the context a little deeper. It says that in Christ shall all be made alive......Then cometh the end, "when" he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God......"when" he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. It then goes on to say he must reign till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

    His reign is before he puts down all rule and all authority and power. He puts it down "when" he delivers up the kingdom to God. So sorry my friend, it is before we have been resurrected.

    1 Corinthians 15:
    22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
    24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
    25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
    26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
    Check out the bottom portion of this post I made the other day (the part covering 1Cor15:24):

    https://bibleforums.org/showthread.p...28#post3508928

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by TMarcum View Post
    Yes, there is a period after we are raised "called the end" which is eternity. But this is not during the time of his reign and the text clearly states this. The text states he must reign "till" he hath put all enemies under his feet. Then comes the end.

    So my friend, Christ reign is now.
    Nope, you have it backwards.
    It states, Christ is raised, the us, then comes the end, which IS the time when Her has put down all authority etc.
    The end, then means the end of that age and the START of eternity.
    The end itself is NOT eternity.
    Christ is NOT reigning now.

    I also note you didn't respond to what Rev 11 states:
    Rev 11:15* Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”*
    Rev 11:16* And the twenty-four elders who sit on their thrones before God fell on their faces and worshiped God,*
    Rev 11:17* saying, “We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, who is and who was, for you have taken your great power and begun to reign.

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