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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    Yes it does .
    No it does NOT.
    Read what it says:
    Rev 12:11* And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony

    This SPECIFICALLY states that they achieved something, by what was done beforehand.
    The CONQUERING refers to Satan being defeated. Where was Satan defeated? In a war which arose in heaven.

    The statement REFERENCES what has just been stated regarding Satan, and notes that "...THEY have conquered ..." which means they were involved in bringing this about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForHisglory View Post
    No it does NOT.
    Read what it says:
    Rev 12:11* And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony

    This SPECIFICALLY states that they achieved something, by what was done beforehand.
    The CONQUERING refers to Satan being defeated. Where was Satan defeated? In a war which arose in heaven.

    The statement REFERENCES what has just been stated regarding Satan, and notes that "...THEY have conquered ..." which means they were involved in bringing this about.
    This is all wrong. These people overcame Satan after he was cast to the Earth and loved not their lives until death which means they overcame Satan by dying which you left out when you partially quoted the verse. They had nothing to do with Satan being cast out of heaven. Satan and his army were defeated by Michael and his angels as it is written.

    "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ" this is when Earthly saints were able to overcome Satan, especially his deceptions and used the power of Christ and the strength to remain faithful until they died. That's how Christ ultimately overcame Satan as well.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    This is all wrong. These people overcame Satan after he was cast to the Earth and loved not their lives until death which means they overcame Satan by dying which you left out when you partially quoted the verse. They had nothing to do with Satan being cast out of heaven. Satan and his army were defeated by Michael and his angels as it is written.
    What is wrong?
    Rev 12:11 does NOT refer to conquering Satan AFTER he was cast out of heaven, but in reference to his being cast out.

    "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ" this is when Earthly saints were able to overcome Satan, especially his deceptions and used the power of Christ and the strength to remain faithful until they died. That's how Christ ultimately overcame Satan as well.
    This is wrong because WHEN Satan IS cast to the earth is when the saints are conquered by the AC as Rev 13 makes clear.

    Rev 13:7* Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them...

    Therefore it is FALSE to claim the saints are conquering Satan, when we are told that the saints themselves are being conquered.
    The conquering is the REMOVAL of the Accuser from heaven.

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    Revelation 20:1-3 & 7
    And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain.2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

    7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison

    Why is it only satan who is bound and released as he is only a single fallen angle and can only be in one place at a time?


    What about his legion of fallen angles why are not mentioned as being bound as they are mentioned as being kicked out of heaven?

    Revelation 12:7-9

    7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.


    What is the purpose of satan being bound in the pit if his fallen angles are still around to carry on his evil work?

    I believe that it is because the binding of satan is not a iteral binding unlike the banishing out of heaven which
    was literal.

    It is the message of revelation chapter 20 that matters not the minor details and the message is that the great chain (the power of the gospel) is what binds satan from deceiving the nations as the gospel reveals who Jesus is and that He saves.

    The message is also that Jesus doesn't reign because satan is bound Jesus reigns because of who He is.


    Try looking at it like this. Look at Rev 20:10-15. Do you see any mentioning of satan's angels also getting cast into the LOF? Do they not also get cast in? If there is no mention of satan's angels also getting cast into the LOF in Rev 20, when we clearly know that they do, in the same way then, why does Rev 20 have to mention satan's angels as well, in order for them to also be bound for a thousand years?

    What does Rev 20 show satan doing once he is released? Doesn't it indicate he has a little season where he once again deceives the nations? And since you agree satan can't be in more than one place at a time, doesn't it then seem reasonable that he accomplishes these things through his angels? But if his angels have been unbound during the thousand years, but that satan and his angels were still in some type of communication with each other, then why did satan need to be loosed before he can do what he is seen doing after the thousand years? Why didn't he just get his unbound angels to do all of those things while he was still in the pit?

    You really need to seriously consider what TheDivineWatermark and The Beginner had to say about Isaiah 24. Isaiah 24 is one of the keys to getting the timing correct about the thousand years, IMO anyway.

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Try looking at it like this. Look at Rev 20:10-15. Do you see any mentioning of satan's angels also getting cast into the LOF? Do they not also get cast in? If there is no mention of satan's angels also getting cast into the LOF in Rev 20, when we clearly know that they do, in the same way then, why does Rev 20 have to mention satan's angels as well, in order for them to also be bound for a thousand years?
    Yes that is my point its not literal

    What does Rev 20 show satan doing once he is released? Doesn't it indicate he has a little season where he once again deceives the nations? And since you agree satan can't be in more than one place at a time, doesn't it then seem reasonable that he accomplishes these things through his angels? But if his angels have been unbound during the thousand years, but that satan and his angels were still in some type of communication with each other, then why did satan need to be loosed before he can do what he is seen doing after the thousand years? Why didn't he just get his unbound angels to do all of those things while he was still in the pit?
    Because they were bound with him

    You really need to seriously consider what TheDivineWatermark and The Beginner had to say about Isaiah 24. Isaiah 24 is one of the keys to getting the timing correct about the thousand years, IMO anyway.
    What's missing is the term 1000 years would that really missing if that it the main theme?


    Verse 20 blows that theory away as there is another rebellion after the 1000 years

    Isiaha 24:20
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    The earth reels like a drunkard,
    it sways like a hut in the wind;
    so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion
    that it falls—never to rise again.

    Try looking at it like this. Look at Rev 20:10-15. Do you see any mentioning of satan's angels also getting cast into the LOF? Do they not also get cast in? If there is no mention of satan's angels also getting cast into the LOF in Rev 20, when we clearly know that they do, in the same way then, why does Rev 20 have to mention satan's angels as well, in order for them to also be bound for a thousand years?
    Yes that is my point its not literal

    What does Rev 20 show satan doing once he is released? Doesn't it indicate he has a little season where he once again deceives the nations? And since you agree satan can't be in more than one place at a time, doesn't it then seem reasonable that he accomplishes these things through his angels? But if his angels have been unbound during the thousand years, but that satan and his angels were still in some type of communication with each other, then why did satan need to be loosed before he can do what he is seen doing after the thousand years? Why didn't he just get his unbound angels to do all of those things while he was still in the pit?
    Because they were bound with him

    You really need to seriously consider what TheDivineWatermark and The Beginner had to say about Isaiah 24. Isaiah 24 is one of the keys to getting the timing correct about the thousand years, IMO anyway.
    What's missing is the term 1000 years would that really missing if that it the main theme?


    Verse 20 blows that theory away as there is another rebellion after the 1000 years

    Isiaha 24:20
    20
    The earth reels like a drunkard,
    it sways like a hut in the wind;
    so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion
    that it falls—never to rise again.

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    Re: Why is only satan bound for 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    Fair enough. This isn't the whole argument, but I can agree with this much.
    Yes fair enough LOL

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