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    Who is the Beast which comes up from the bottomless pit and kills the 2W?

    Rev 11
    7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

    The only possibility is Satan. Satan is the only one mentioned being thrown in the pit.

    Rev 20
    1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

    Thus Rev 20 CANNOT be speaking of a time period after the 2nd coming when a beast arises up from the pit before the 2nd coming.

    Are there two beasts which are thrown into the pit and arise on two different occasions? Not likely.

    Also when is the beast in Rev 11 thrown into the pit per scripture?

    And if the beast coming up from the pit in Rev 11 is not Satan then who is it?

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    Re: Who is the Beast which comes up from the bottomless pit and kills the 2W?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Rev 11
    7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

    The only possibility is Satan. Satan is the only one mentioned being thrown in the pit.

    Rev 20
    1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

    Thus Rev 20 CANNOT be speaking of a time period after the 2nd coming when a beast arises up from the pit before the 2nd coming.

    Are there two beasts which are thrown into the pit and arise on two different occasions? Not likely.

    Also when is the beast in Rev 11 thrown into the pit per scripture?

    And if the beast coming up from the pit in Rev 11 is not Satan then who is it?
    Contrary to popular Christian belief, dead men do not go to heaven. The best documented death of a man in the Bible is that of our Lord Jesus Himself. In accordance with what scripture reveals, He gave UP His spirit because at death the spirit of a man returns to God Who gave it (Eccl.3:21, 12:7). His body was laid in a tomb on the surface of the earth. His soul went to Hades. Hades, the place of both our Lord Jesus, and David, Lazarus and all the dead (Rev.20:13). Matthew 12:40 says that it is in the heart of the earth and Ephesians 4:9 says it is in "the lower part of the earth".

    However, there is another abyss below the earth. It is, in the Greek - "Tartaroo" (2nd Peter 2:4) and is a prison for angels. Now while a man is always called a SOUL, angels are SPIRITS (Ps.104:4). See Jude 1:6 as well.

    The Beast, being a man, and being one of five kings who have died (Rev.17:9-11), would have languished in Hades until he was resurrected. So he "comes out of Hades" - a bottomless pit for the SOULS of men under the earth.

    Satan, after doing his worst in heaven is cast to the earth (Rev.12). After Armageddon he is cast into Tartaroo - the bottomless pit for ANGELS.

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    Re: Who is the Beast which comes up from the bottomless pit and kills the 2W?

    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    Contrary to popular Christian belief, dead men do not go to heaven. The best documented death of a man in the Bible is that of our Lord Jesus Himself. In accordance with what scripture reveals, He gave UP His spirit because at death the spirit of a man returns to God Who gave it (Eccl.3:21, 12:7). His body was laid in a tomb on the surface of the earth. His soul went to Hades. Hades, the place of both our Lord Jesus, and David, Lazarus and all the dead (Rev.20:13). Matthew 12:40 says that it is in the heart of the earth and Ephesians 4:9 says it is in "the lower part of the earth".

    However, there is another abyss below the earth. It is, in the Greek - "Tartaroo" (2nd Peter 2:4) and is a prison for angels. Now while a man is always called a SOUL, angels are SPIRITS (Ps.104:4). See Jude 1:6 as well.

    The Beast, being a man, and being one of five kings who have died (Rev.17:9-11), would have languished in Hades until he was resurrected. So he "comes out of Hades" - a bottomless pit for the SOULS of men under the earth.

    Satan, after doing his worst in heaven is cast to the earth (Rev.12). After Armageddon he is cast into Tartaroo - the bottomless pit for ANGELS.
    So who comes up from the pit Rev 11 and when was he cast into the pit?

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    Re: Who is the Beast which comes up from the bottomless pit and kills the 2W?

    It may be that the Beast represents both the Antichrist and the ancient Roman Empire, which suffered a fatal blow with the rise of Christ from the dead. The Empire was crippled, and even Christianized. But in the endtimes pagan Rome will rise again, and this may be described as an "ascension out of the bottomless pit," since paganism has been consigned to the pit.

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    Re: Who is the Beast which comes up from the bottomless pit and kills the 2W?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Rev 11
    7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

    The only possibility is Satan. Satan is the only one mentioned being thrown in the pit.

    Rev 20
    1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

    Thus Rev 20 CANNOT be speaking of a time period after the 2nd coming when a beast arises up from the pit before the 2nd coming.

    Are there two beasts which are thrown into the pit and arise on two different occasions? Not likely.

    Also when is the beast in Rev 11 thrown into the pit per scripture?

    And if the beast coming up from the pit in Rev 11 is not Satan then who is it?
    The beast is not satan. The beast gets it's power and authority from satan. The beast is already in the LOF when satan joins it there in Rev 20:10. You are not making logical sense here then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    The beast is already in the LOF when satan joins it there in Rev 20:10. You are not making logical sense here then.

    Why does this matter?

    Again, who comes up from the pit Rev 11 and when was he cast into the pit?

    can you answer this?

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    Re: Who is the Beast which comes up from the bottomless pit and kills the 2W?

    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    It may be that the Beast represents both the Antichrist and the ancient Roman Empire, which suffered a fatal blow with the rise of Christ from the dead. The Empire was crippled, and even Christianized. But in the endtimes pagan Rome will rise again, and this may be described as an "ascension out of the bottomless pit," since paganism has been consigned to the pit.
    8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
    9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
    10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
    11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

    The beast from the bottomless pit lis described as a king, the 8th king. Not an empire.

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    Re: Who is the Beast which comes up from the bottomless pit and kills the 2W?

    What about the one from the abyss in Revelation 9?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    What about the one from the abyss in Revelation 9?
    Well who would be the king of the pit? And how and when did he get there? It appears that it is in this 5th trumpet at some time you would think this king rises up out of the pit and would parallel rev 11.

    Who is king of the pit? Well the beast that rises up from the pit is called a "king", the 8th king after all the others.

    rev 17
    8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
    9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
    10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
    11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

    I think we can make the connection it is the same entity. So now what king was, was not, and yet is?

    Well the "yet is" needs to relate to coming up from the pit. Then I would say "was not" had to be while in the pit, and then "was" had to be before being in the pit.

    So who was not in a pit, then in the pit, and then out of the pit? Satan the dragon. All should agree.

    The problem is that it can't happen twice and this shows it occurring BEFORE the 2nd coming so it can't happen also after a 1000 years.


    Thanks for the question

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Rev 11
    7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

    The only possibility is Satan. Satan is the only one mentioned being thrown in the pit.
    Yes, agree.

    Rev 20
    1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

    Thus Rev 20 CANNOT be speaking of a time period after the 2nd coming when a beast arises up from the pit before the 2nd coming.

    Are there two beasts which are thrown into the pit and arise on two different occasions? Not likely.
    Rev 20 follows the tribulation, so yes Satan is thrown into the pit on two different occasions.

    Also when is the beast in Rev 11 thrown into the pit per scripture?
    The first time, John 12:31 the second time, Rev 20

    And if the beast coming up from the pit in Rev 11 is not Satan then who is it?
    I to am interested in how others think here, I keep waiting for a good plausible scenario yet the more I seem to hear on other possible scenarios the less likely they seem to be... Who knows maybe someone has a good answer?

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    Re: Who is the Beast which comes up from the bottomless pit and kills the 2W?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    So who comes up from the pit Rev 11 and when was he cast into the pit?
    It says clearly that the Beast comes from the bottomless pit.

    He was put there at his death some time before John wrote Revelation. Revelation 17:8;

    "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

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    Re: Who is the Beast which comes up from the bottomless pit and kills the 2W?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Why does this matter?

    Again, who comes up from the pit Rev 11 and when was he cast into the pit?

    can you answer this?

    Let's start here.

    Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


    Revelation 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

    What is one thing both passages have in common? This for one....the great day...that great day

    These angels in Jude, when did they initially get confined? My guess would be maybe during Noah's day. And if so, according to Revelation 16:14 they apparently get released at some point. Why then can't these we see in both Jude 1:6 and Revelation 16:14, not be the same ones we see coming out of the pit in Rev 9?

    So IOW, there is a connection of coming out of the pit in Rev 9 with that of coming out of the pit in Rev 13, where it says a beast rises out of the sea, the sea likely meaning the pit in that context.

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    Re: Who is the Beast which comes up from the bottomless pit and kills the 2W?

    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    What about the one from the abyss in Revelation 9?
    In my posting #2 I documented TWO "bottomless pits". If our Lord has the keys to Hades (Rev.1:18), and a "star" from heaven has the key to the bottomless pit, which bottomless pit is meant? The one that contains angels no doubt. Is it strange then that they have wings (Rev.9:9)? The "star" must be Lucifer and the Warden of Tartaroo must be Abaddon. The Warden of Hades is Christ and all men are freed from Hades. Abaddon (the Destroyer) is Warden of Tartaroo. There is no salvation for the Angels of Tartaroo for 2 Peter 2:4 tells us;

    "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to TARTAROO, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post

    Who is king of the pit? Well the beast that rises up from the pit is called a "king", the 8th king after all the others.
    If I can touch on how I see the 8th king here, The seventh king is Antichrist who is also the 1st of the 3 beasts, the Antichrist is the 1st beast that rises up out of the sea, the sea can symbolise the people/nations, Ezek 26:3 and at the end of the age God will pull the dragnet and separate the good and the bad fishes etc Anyway the first beast is a man who rises up out of the sea and rules the world, The first beast is mortally wounded but the second beast rises up from the earth and exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence and now causes the whole earth to worship this man/Satan. Another topic but ive heard a couple different people view the first beast/Antichrist now becoming the false prophet who now performs great signs, which I tend to agree with.

    back to topic, I view Satan as being able to enter the Antichrist as also being the seventh king of the world, I view Satan as being able to enter Pharaoh as also being the first king of the world, so in a sense there were 2 entities/kings, I view Satan being able to enter Nebuchadnezzar as also being the 3rd king and so on for all the seven world empires. So all Im trying to say is that I don't see Satan as the 8th king of the world in a chronological sense, but I see him as all of the seven kings of the world, which in turn since he is a separate entity makes him an eighth person.

    rev 17
    8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
    9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
    10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
    11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

    I think we can make the connection it is the same entity. So now what king was, was not, and yet is?

    Well the "yet is" needs to relate to coming up from the pit. Then I would say "was not" had to be while in the pit, and then "was" had to be before being in the pit.

    So who was not in a pit, then in the pit, and then out of the pit? Satan the dragon. All should agree.
    Yes I concur

    The problem is that it can't happen twice and this shows it occurring BEFORE the 2nd coming so it can't happen also after a 1000 years.
    Why not? If there is following 1000yr period and then some of the nations need led to attack Israel who would God use to accomplish such a thing? Also notice the FP and the third beast are thrown into the LoF and not Satan the second beast, and why not? because he has one more task to do...

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    Re: Who is the Beast which comes up from the bottomless pit and kills the 2W?

    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    Let's start here.

    These angels in Jude, when did they initially get confined? My guess would be maybe during Noah's day. And if so, according to Revelation 16:14 they apparently get released at some point. Why then can't these we see in both Jude 1:6 and Revelation 16:14, not be the same ones we see coming out of the pit in Rev 9?
    I agree with this...rev 9 locusts are these demonic angels.


    So IOW, there is a connection of coming out of the pit in Rev 9 with that of coming out of the pit in Rev 13, where it says a beast rises out of the sea, the sea likely meaning the pit in that context.
    But there is a king over them which comes up out from the pit also as Rev 17 says he is a king.

    So who is this king and when was he put in the pit?

    Note this king was, was not, yet is. Thus the "yet is" is when he released from the pit, the "was not" was while he was in the pit, the "was" would be before the pit. So what evil entity was not in the pit the thrown into the pit and then released from the pit. Satan which you should agree as that would be the case even for Rev 20. The problem is is that it can't happen twice and this shows to be before the 2nd coming. Thus it can't happen again after a 1000 years later.

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