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    Re: Location: Garden of Eden

    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    God wants to reason with Man--not just believe He can do anything! In order to reason with us, certain natural laws have to be laid down, so that men can depend on them. To explain away geological history through catastrophism, denying uniformitarian principles of geological development, has some credibility. But to simply refer to the fact "God can do anything" doesn't help, in my opinion.

    You aren't beginning to touch the enormity of the problems of maintaining the balance of nature on the ark, assuming a universal Flood lasted a year! As I said earlier, I've had aquariums with closed environments, where creatures were completely dependent on me. It is very easy for life to die out with just a small amount of neglect. As tenacious as weeds are, just lay a carpet over them for a year, and see how many survive?

    To say insects survived on the ark, two by two, does not explain the huge variety of insect life, many of which would simply eat or destroy the other. I can see the ark completely covered by a great variety of flies, bees, butterflies, moths, mosquito-eaters, gnats, beetles, potato bugs, termites, ants etc. with *all of their different species*--all while the ark swims through an ocean with waves and nothing to feed on but each other.

    Keep in mind that fish need to feed too. Although you might assume that fish can survive in a Flood, they likely wouldn't. Most varieties of marine life would require, I should think, shallower areas of the ocean. An enormous Flood, covering the entire globe, and the highest mountains, would crush shallow sea life.

    You would have to explain how the loss of sensitive habitats would enable the great diversity of animal and insect life to survive? Many require certain plants and certain temperatures. A world wide Flood protecting all species in a single ark would not provide that!

    One can explain anything by "God's power." But is this how God wishes to "reason" with us? It is much more sensible to view this as a less than world-wide Flood taking place in a local habitat. The universal language seems to be your obstacle?

    You know what it just dawned on me in this discussion that Noah was NOT the main planner of this operation !

    God was the one that said the flood would come . God gave the plans for the Ark to Noah . God gave Noah all the instructions he would need to complete his voyage . Doesn't this make sense ?

    If God wanted the whole earth flooded and started over do you not think God could cover every one of the problems you brought up ? Or is your God limited in some way ?

    This not our logic at work it is God's logic at work !

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkman View Post
    You know what it just dawned on me in this discussion that Noah was NOT the main planner of this operation !

    God was the one that said the flood would come . God gave the plans for the Ark to Noah . God gave Noah all the instructions he would need to complete his voyage . Doesn't this make sense ?

    If God wanted the whole earth flooded and started over do you not think God could cover every one of the problems you brought up ? Or is your God limited in some way ?

    This not our logic at work it is God's logic at work !
    I don't think so. Everything God did, from having Noah build an ark to explaining that the Flood happened by rain and ground surge, indicates this took place in a natural setting, and not as a super-miracle. When God created the world, He said He finished the job. To create 8 x the amount of water to cover the highest mountain ranges on earth would amount to a whole new creation. But God said He was finished creating by the 7th day, and I believe Him.

    You are not arguing for a Universal Flood. You are using a non-argument, simply because you think the Scriptures teach a Universal Flood. If you ignore the evidence that this language was universal but applicable only to a local environment, then you're not arguing at all. You can argue that God can cause angels to dance on the tip of a pin, if you like?

    God's whole purpose was *not* to destroy the whole earth, and all of its creatures. That is the idea behind Noah preserving animals from his own local region. And so, if God never intended to destroy all the animals on earth, but only the animals within the region of this wicked civilization, it makes sense that God would not destroy all animals, fish, birds, insects, and plant life across the whole globe!

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    Re: Location: Garden of Eden

    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    And so, if God never intended to destroy all the animals on earth, but only the animals within the region of this wicked civilization, it makes sense that God would not destroy all animals, fish, birds, insects, and plant life across the whole globe!
    And funny how God decides to have this flood right after telling us about the Son's of God having children with females and how there were giants...must be a coincidence!
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    I don't think so. Everything God did, from having Noah build an ark to explaining that the Flood happened by rain and ground surge, indicates this took place in a natural setting, and not as a super-miracle. When God created the world, He said He finished the job. To create 8 x the amount of water to cover the highest mountain ranges on earth would amount to a whole new creation. But God said He was finished creating by the 7th day, and I believe Him.

    You are not arguing for a Universal Flood. You are using a non-argument, simply because you think the Scriptures teach a Universal Flood. If you ignore the evidence that this language was universal but applicable only to a local environment, then you're not arguing at all. You can argue that God can cause angels to dance on the tip of a pin, if you like?

    God's whole purpose was *not* to destroy the whole earth, and all of its creatures. That is the idea behind Noah preserving animals from his own local region. And so, if God never intended to destroy all the animals on earth, but only the animals within the region of this wicked civilization, it makes sense that God would not destroy all animals, fish, birds, insects, and plant life across the whole globe!

    Please answer my 2 questions YES or NO .

    Did God plan for the flood to happen ?

    Did God plan for Noah and all aboard to survive the flood ?

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    Re: Location: Garden of Eden

    Quote Originally Posted by hawkman View Post
    Please answer my 2 questions YES or NO .

    Did God plan for the flood to happen ?

    Did God plan for Noah and all aboard to survive the flood ?
    1) Yes
    2) Yes

    God said the whole earth (all the land within the sight of Noah's civilization) would be buried beneath water, destroying all life. God had Noah build the ark to preserve not only his own family but also a sampling of animals from that region, to represent God's intention to preserve all animal life on earth.

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