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    Is the "earth" and the "world" the same thing ?

    And the short answer is no . But let me explain .

    Genesis 1:1
    In the beginning God created the heaven and the
    earth
    .

    Genesis 1:2
    And the
    earth
    was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
    Genesis 1:10
    And God called the dry land
    Earth
    ; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

    Are you getting the idea that that if it is not Seas then has to be Earth , correct ?

    Genesis 6:5
    And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the
    earth
    , and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    Genesis 6:7
    And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the
    earth
    ; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

    Genesis 6:13
    And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the
    earth
    is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the
    earth
    .

    Genesis 6:17
    And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the
    earth
    , to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the
    earth
    shall die.

    The created earth from verse one .

    Genesis 7:4
    For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the
    earth
    forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the
    earth
    .

    Notice where the rain is falling on the earth , not the lands , not the world ,not the kingdoms .

    Genesis 7:10
    And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the
    earth


    Genesis 7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
    Genesis 7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

    Take notice that it took 40 days of rain to float the ark !

    Gen.7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
    20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

    The whole heaven and the whole earth .

    Genesis 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
    Genesis 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.


    All the earth . And only Noah and the inhabitants of the ark are left alive . Notice the word ground and earth , driving home a point .

    Genesis 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
    Genesis 9:14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
    Genesis 9:16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.


    A covenant between God and the earth and every living creature . The earth was flooded not world or worlds .


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    Re: Is the "earth" and the "world" the same thing ?

    Quote Originally Posted by hawkman View Post
    The earth was flooded not world or worlds.
    ... They deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world of that time perished in the flood. (1 Peter 3)
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    Re: Is the "earth" and the "world" the same thing ?

    Exactly, the word for earth, means dry ground, formed from under the water. It was that dry ground that was flooded again. We can easily use the Bible to define this word, because the Bible does define this word "erets" in Genesis 1:10

    10 God called the dry ground “erets,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

    The NIV is correct, translating the word as land, not earth :
    10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

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    Re: Is the "earth" and the "world" the same thing ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aviyah View Post
    ... They deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world of that time perished in the flood. (1 Peter 3)
    Yes , all of the populated land of the earth .

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    Re: Is the "earth" and the "world" the same thing ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DurbanDude View Post
    Exactly, the word for earth, means dry ground, formed from under the water. It was that dry ground that was flooded again. We can easily use the Bible to define this word, because the Bible does define this word "erets" in Genesis 1:10

    10 God called the dry ground “erets,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

    The NIV is correct, translating the word as land, not earth :
    10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
    Yes ! We are in agreement on a whole earth flood .

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    Re: Is the "earth" and the "world" the same thing ?

    Quote Originally Posted by hawkman View Post
    Yes , all of the populated land of the earth .
    Okay, but you said the world was not flooded, yet both 1 and 2 Peter use "world" and "earth" interchangeably.

    Verbatim, "The world of that time perished in the flood."
    「耶和華聖潔無比,獨一無二,沒有磐石像我們的上帝。
    撒母耳記上 (1 Samuel) 2:2

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    Re: Is the "earth" and the "world" the same thing ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aviyah View Post
    Okay, but you said the world was not flooded, yet both 1 and 2 Peter use "world" and "earth" interchangeably.

    Verbatim, "The world of that time perished in the flood."
    What I am trying to say in this thread is that "earth" and "world " are not the same thing . I looked in the old testament since that was where most of the info on the flood is .

    In This verse earth means land and world means the populated portion of the land .

    Psalms 19:4
    Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

    You get what I am trying to say or is it still clear as mud .

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    Re: Is the "earth" and the "world" the same thing ?

    Quote Originally Posted by hawkman View Post
    What I am trying to say in this thread is that "earth" and "world " are not the same thing . I looked in the old testament since that was where most of the info on the flood is .

    In This verse earth means land and world means the populated portion of the land .

    Psalms 19:4
    Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

    You get what I am trying to say or is it still clear as mud .
    Gotcha, so you think of it as the "world" being on "the earth." I'm okay with that viewpoint too, then.
    「耶和華聖潔無比,獨一無二,沒有磐石像我們的上帝。
    撒母耳記上 (1 Samuel) 2:2

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    Re: Is the "earth" and the "world" the same thing ?

    Quote Originally Posted by hawkman View Post
    And the short answer is no
    You can't sensibly make an argument like that without getting into the details of the Hebrew (or for the NT, Greek) words. If you do that, your whole argument falls apart.

    It's also a little difficult to argue like that from the Psalms, since the poetic call-and-response nature of the Psalms means that they often repeat themselves, using two different words for the same thing.

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    Re: Is the "earth" and the "world" the same thing ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aviyah View Post
    Okay, but you said the world was not flooded, yet both 1 and 2 Peter use "world" and "earth" interchangeably.

    Verbatim, "The world of that time perished in the flood."
    2 Peter 2:5: if he did not spare the ancient world (Greek kosmos), but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world (Greek kosmos) of the ungodly;

    2 Peter 3:5-6: For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth (Greek ) was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world (Greek kosmos) that then existed was deluged with water and perished.

    Here seems to refer to land as distinct from heavens and water, but the kosmos is described as being flooded.

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    Re: Is the "earth" and the "world" the same thing ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Radagast View Post
    2 Peter 2:5: if he did not spare the ancient world (Greek kosmos), but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world (Greek kosmos) of the ungodly;

    2 Peter 3:5-6: For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth (Greek ) was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world (Greek kosmos) that then existed was deluged with water and perished.

    Here seems to refer to land as distinct from heavens and water, but the kosmos is described as being flooded.
    So are you suggesting Peter was saying the "world" was flooded but not the "earth"?
    「耶和華聖潔無比,獨一無二,沒有磐石像我們的上帝。
    撒母耳記上 (1 Samuel) 2:2

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    Re: Is the "earth" and the "world" the same thing ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Radagast View Post
    You can't sensibly make an argument like that without getting into the details of the Hebrew (or for the NT, Greek) words. If you do that, your whole argument falls apart.

    It's also a little difficult to argue like that from the Psalms, since the poetic call-and-response nature of the Psalms means that they often repeat themselves, using two different words for the same thing.
    I should have said is I wanted to stay in the old testament with the point I was making . And not get involved with the Hebrew to Greek differences .

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    Re: Is the "earth" and the "world" the same thing ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Radagast View Post
    2 Peter 2:5: if he did not spare the ancient world (Greek kosmos), but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world (Greek kosmos) of the ungodly;

    2 Peter 3:5-6: For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth (Greek ) was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world (Greek kosmos) that then existed was deluged with water and perished.

    Here seems to refer to land as distinct from heavens and water, but the kosmos is described as being flooded.
    Like I said I wanted to stay in the old testament but here is what I think about these verses .

    2Peter2:5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;

    Notice it says "ancient world " and that was all of the populated land of that time . What did the land mass even look like then ?

    2Peter 3:5For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, 6and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.

    Again notice " the world that then existed " meaning all of the populated land .

    The only survivors were on the ark .

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    Re: Is the "earth" and the "world" the same thing ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aviyah View Post
    So are you suggesting Peter was saying the "world" was flooded but not the "earth"?
    Depending on how Peter is using the word kosmos, he's saying either that the whole planet was flooded, or that the whole inhabited area was flooded. Either way, the floodwaters covered over not just the land (), but also lakes, rivers, and other water that was already there.

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    Re: Is the "earth" and the "world" the same thing ?

    Quote Originally Posted by hawkman View Post
    Notice it says "ancient world " and that was all of the populated land of that time

    Again notice " the world that then existed " meaning all of the populated land .

    The only survivors were on the ark .
    I think that's a fair conclusion.

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