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    The Great Second Exodus

    Jeremiah 16:14-15 The days are coming, declares the Lord; when it will no longer be said: As surely as the Lord lives, Who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt, but it will be said: As surely as HaShem lives, who brought the Israelites [now; every faithful Christian] up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them. For I will restore them to the land I gave their ancestors.

    This is referred to as the ‘Second Exodus‘ and does not only refer to the return of Jews to the Land of Israel after World War 2, but to the Return also of millions of re-identified Ten Tribers who have lost their identity among the nations where they were exiled for 2730 years. The immensity of such a vast re-identification and Return will totally overshadow the original miracle filled Exodus from Egypt, according to Jeremiah.
    The principle is that the Lord uses periods of travail upon His People to purify and strengthen them spiritually. Their struggles with hardship, adversity and misfortune serve to mould them into the righteous likeness which they must have to be part of His Kingdom and to be in His service.
    This Divine method is not just used in the final refining process of His elect, but, throughout all humanity, even as initial Calls for their heart and minds. The Lord constantly calls on those who know Him not, who rebel against Him, but, in response, like Pharaoh, they challenge Him, for they do not wish to acknowledge Him. First God appeals to their emotions, but, like against Pharaoh, after the first Plagues, God changes His approach and even hardens his heart, while appealing to his intellect.

    We, the people of Judah and Christian Israel today, when applying the allegory of ‘Pharaoh’ to ourselves, are also hard of heart against His Calls for higher devotion and commitment. This has become especially evident as we now approach the Final Redemption.
    Then, like with Pharaoh, God “puts on the screws” when He calls for final refining. This time He is using a different method. He is appealing to our intellectual resources rather than our emotional. The troubles may increase, physical persecution may become a reality (like through wars or anti-Semitic onslaughts even on our lives). It is all about a higher Calling for our final refining.

    As we approach the reality of the last few years before Jesus Returns, there are things that have to change and need to be achieved:

    • The restoration and recognition of the Lost House of Israel, consisting of the ten Northern Tribes in exile among the nations, lost to history, but not to God. Amos 9:9
    • Reconciliation has to be achieved between these re-identifying and returning Lost House of Israel and the House of Judah before the Peace can be established which will enable the Return of the Shekinah (visible Divine Presence) of God to the holy Land. Ezekiel 37, 43:1-4
    • Judah: the Jews, must recognize Joseph, the Christian peoples, as the now Chosen people of God. John 15:14-16, 1 Peter 2:9. Ephesians 1:11-14 The people who have received the Kingdom; Matthew 21:43
    • Joseph/Ephraim, the Ten Tribes, the peoples who have generally believed the Gospel and accepted the Salvation offered by Jesus, has to turn away from their inherited pride and rebellion against Judah (as their fathers did for which they were exiled ). As the returnee Prodigal son, they have to respect and acknowledge their ‘Brother’ Judah who has been keeping ‘The House of their Father’ during their exile ‘to the pig sties’ of paganism. They should shake off their arrogance of pride in rediscovery of Torah principles and rather than try to ‘save’ Judah, humble themselves and acknowledge the Divine Mandate of Judah as the Lawgiver of God,’ Psalms 60:7, 108:8


    Like God did with Pharaoh, He will “put on the screws” in this final refining. He will be appealing to our intellectual rather than our emotional spirituality. The world is facing catastrophic culmination for its evil empire Babylon which it has been building throughout nearly 6000 years. The Sabbath Millennia is at the door.

    Jeremiah 46:27-28
    “Do not be afraid, Jacob, [all 12 Tribes of Israel] My servants;
    do not be dismayed, Israel. I will surely save you out of a distant place; your descendants from the land of their exile.
    Jacob will again have peace and security and no one will make him afraid.
    Do not be afraid, Jacob my servant, for I am with you,” declares the Lord.
    “Though I completely destroy all the nations among which I scatter you, I will not completely destroy you.
    I will discipline you but only in due measure; I will not let you go entirely unpunished.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    Jeremiah 16:14-15 The days are coming, declares the Lord; when it will no longer be said: As surely as the Lord lives, Who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt, but it will be said: As surely as HaShem lives, who brought the Israelites [now; every faithful Christian] up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them. For I will restore them to the land I gave their ancestors.

    This is referred to as the ‘Second Exodus‘ and does not only refer to the return of Jews to the Land of Israel after World War 2, but to the Return also of millions of re-identified Ten Tribers who have lost their identity among the nations where they were exiled for 2730 years. The immensity of such a vast re-identification and Return will totally overshadow the original miracle filled Exodus from Egypt, according to Jeremiah.
    The principle is that the Lord uses periods of travail upon His People to purify and strengthen them spiritually. Their struggles with hardship, adversity and misfortune serve to mould them into the righteous likeness which they must have to be part of His Kingdom and to be in His service.
    This Divine method is not just used in the final refining process of His elect, but, throughout all humanity, even as initial Calls for their heart and minds. The Lord constantly calls on those who know Him not, who rebel against Him, but, in response, like Pharaoh, they challenge Him, for they do not wish to acknowledge Him. First God appeals to their emotions, but, like against Pharaoh, after the first Plagues, God changes His approach and even hardens his heart, while appealing to his intellect.

    We, the people of Judah and Christian Israel today, when applying the allegory of ‘Pharaoh’ to ourselves, are also hard of heart against His Calls for higher devotion and commitment. This has become especially evident as we now approach the Final Redemption.
    Then, like with Pharaoh, God “puts on the screws” when He calls for final refining. This time He is using a different method. He is appealing to our intellectual resources rather than our emotional. The troubles may increase, physical persecution may become a reality (like through wars or anti-Semitic onslaughts even on our lives). It is all about a higher Calling for our final refining.

    As we approach the reality of the last few years before Jesus Returns, there are things that have to change and need to be achieved:

    • The restoration and recognition of the Lost House of Israel, consisting of the ten Northern Tribes in exile among the nations, lost to history, but not to God. Amos 9:9
    • Reconciliation has to be achieved between these re-identifying and returning Lost House of Israel and the House of Judah before the Peace can be established which will enable the Return of the Shekinah (visible Divine Presence) of God to the holy Land. Ezekiel 37, 43:1-4
    • Judah: the Jews, must recognize Joseph, the Christian peoples, as the now Chosen people of God. John 15:14-16, 1 Peter 2:9. Ephesians 1:11-14 The people who have received the Kingdom; Matthew 21:43
    • Joseph/Ephraim, the Ten Tribes, the peoples who have generally believed the Gospel and accepted the Salvation offered by Jesus, has to turn away from their inherited pride and rebellion against Judah (as their fathers did for which they were exiled ). As the returnee Prodigal son, they have to respect and acknowledge their ‘Brother’ Judah who has been keeping ‘The House of their Father’ during their exile ‘to the pig sties’ of paganism. They should shake off their arrogance of pride in rediscovery of Torah principles and rather than try to ‘save’ Judah, humble themselves and acknowledge the Divine Mandate of Judah as the Lawgiver of God,’ Psalms 60:7, 108:8


    Like God did with Pharaoh, He will “put on the screws” in this final refining. He will be appealing to our intellectual rather than our emotional spirituality. The world is facing catastrophic culmination for its evil empire Babylon which it has been building throughout nearly 6000 years. The Sabbath Millennia is at the door.

    Jeremiah 46:27-28
    “Do not be afraid, Jacob, [all 12 Tribes of Israel] My servants;
    do not be dismayed, Israel. I will surely save you out of a distant place; your descendants from the land of their exile.
    Jacob will again have peace and security and no one will make him afraid.
    Do not be afraid, Jacob my servant, for I am with you,” declares the Lord.
    “Though I completely destroy all the nations among which I scatter you, I will not completely destroy you.
    I will discipline you but only in due measure; I will not let you go entirely unpunished.”
    The "2nd Exodus" actually began, in my estimation, during the Persian Restoration. That is when the people of Israel began to return "from the northern country," which is the direction they came when coming from the east. That is when they first began to be viewed as "Jews," because all of the tribes began to blend into a single people, there no longer being two kingdoms.

    But as you indicated, the recovery of the Jews to Israel was not completed at that time. Many Jews remained in diaspora, for one reason or another. Some were integrated into the societies into which they had been exiled. Others maintained their "Jewish" status.

    But even Israel, having been reconstituted under Ezra and Nehemiah, continued to suffer trouble, as even Daniel indicated in Dan 9. The decree had gone out to restore Jerusalem, and to rebuild the temple. But after many years the Messiah would come and be "cut off" from Israel, causing both Jerusalem and the temple to be destroyed. There would have to be yet another "exodus" from more wanderings by the Jews.

    So we agree somewhat inasmuch as the Jews are beginning their final reconstitution today. But they have not been waiting all these years for spiritual salvation. That has always been available, and a remnant of them have availed themselves of that. But they have indeed been waiting for a long time for national salvation, the restoration of their nation nevermore to be destroyed.

    I believe this event is soon to take place, once Christ has returned. We see the Jews, still an unbelieving group, dominating in the State of Israel. The Lord Himself will change this. Not all will be saved, but the nation must be fully recovered, spiritually, by turning the entire nation over to Christian rule. We should not only pray for that, but we should also pray for all nations that they be separated from their ungodly elements so as to deliver the righteous among them.

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    Re: The Great Second Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    The "2nd Exodus" actually began, in my estimation, during the Persian Restoration. That is when the people of Israel began to return "from the northern country," which is the direction they came when coming from the east. That is when they first began to be viewed as "Jews," because all of the tribes began to blend into a single people, there no longer being two kingdoms.
    So; did Ezekiel 37 happen then?
    I do not think so and I refute your idea that the House of Israel and the House of Judah have rejoined. Some did go both ways, but never a total rejoining, proved simply by the numbers of the Jews even today; maybe 20 million tops, far from; 'as many as the sands of the sea'.

    A while ago it was discussed on this forum, the subject of the fate of the Jewish State of Israel. Our Jewish friend, Fenris was involved.
    I proved from scripture that they will be virtually wiped out on the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath.
    There was no rebuttal from the Bible to my posts and now you just go on with the old false notion of a general Jewish redemption. A tenet of the 'rapture to heaven' theory, neither are prophesied and neither will happen.

    Are you a Bible believer or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    So; did Ezekiel 37 happen then?
    I do not think so and I refute your idea that the House of Israel and the House of Judah have rejoined. Some did go both ways, but never a total rejoining, proved simply by the numbers of the Jews even today; maybe 20 million tops, far from; 'as many as the sands of the sea'.

    A while ago it was discussed on this forum, the subject of the fate of the Jewish State of Israel. Our Jewish friend, Fenris was involved.
    I proved from scripture that they will be virtually wiped out on the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath.
    There was no rebuttal from the Bible to my posts and now you just go on with the old false notion of a general Jewish redemption. A tenet of the 'rapture to heaven' theory, neither are prophesied and neither will happen.

    Are you a Bible believer or not?
    Yes, I believe the Bible. Disagreeing with your interpretations does not make me an "unbeliever!" Should I call you an "unbeliever" every time you disagree with me? No!

    So let's get back to a reasonable discussion. I had this discussion recently--perhaps it was even with you. I do believe that Eze 37 at least partly was fulfilled in the Persian Restoration, at which time the people of Israel began to be called "Jews," as opposed to members of the Northern Kingdom or members of the Southern Kingdom. The latter part of this chapter, however, shows that the *end of the process* will be the Kingdom of Messiah.

    In other words, what began in the Persian Restoration will only be completed at the 2nd Coming of Christ, or the Kingdom of God. The Persian Restoration, according to Dan 9, began a process of Jewish restoration that resulted in the cutting off of Messiah, and the destruction of both Jerusalem and the temple. This initiated a time of "great tribulation" for the Jewish People, which will end with the eschaton.

    At that time, Israel will be both judged and saved. The unbelieving majority will be either destroyed or humbled, rendering the nation open to national conversion to the Christian faith. National conversion does not mean all Jews in the present age will avoid destruction. Rather, it means the whole nation will be turned over to the Christian faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    At that time, Israel will be both judged and saved. The unbelieving majority will be either destroyed or humbled, rendering the nation open to national conversion to the Christian faith. National conversion does not mean all Jews in the present age will avoid destruction. Rather, it means the whole nation will be turned over to the Christian faith.
    I agree, confirmed by Ezekiel 20:34-38.
    But note that those gathered at that time will consist of both Houses, proved by the context of that chapter.

    The Great Chapter of Isaiah 29:1-24:

    What will happen very soon:
    Suddenly, in an instant punishment will come from the heavens. The Lord will act in His wrath against all those who make war against Jerusalem, all those who surround Israel. With a great noise amid flames of devouring fire, earthquakes and powerful storms, they will disappear like a dream, like a vision of the night – gone when you awake. So it will be with the horde of nations who attack the holy Land. They will crumble into dust and be blown away like chaff. Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12, Revelation 6:12-17
    This is quite a different event from Armageddon, it is the many prophesied Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a literal day of a Coronal Mass Ejection sunspot explosion. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7
    But, disaster will come to those who live in the Land, there will be mourning and tears when the Lord makes Jerusalem His fire altar. He will bring those people down, the survivors will hide underground, their voices will squeak out of the earth. Isaiah 31:5, Zechariah 13:8-9

    The Lord’s people – Jews and Christians:
    Because My people worship Me with empty words and pay Me lip service, while their hearts are far from Me and their religion is but human doctrines learnt by rote, therefore I shall shock them again and again. The wisdom of their learned people will vanish and all discernment will be lost. Matthew 11:25-26
    Woe to those who try to hide their devious plans from the Lord. All those who say: Who can see what we do? Who knows our plans? Do not think your Maker is unaware of your doings, you are placing yourself higher than Him, if you think that. 1 Peter 3:12

    Belief in wrong teaching leads to an inability to understand the truth:
    If you confuse yourself, you will stay confused, if you blind yourself, you will stay blinded. Be drunk, but not with strong drink, for the Lord has poured upon you a spirit of deep stupor. He has closed your eyes to prophetic understanding and muffled your heads; your so called, wise teachers. For you the Prophetic vision of the end times is like a sealed book that you cannot read. Isaiah 6:9-10, Acts 13:41

    The Word of the Lord to the descendants of Abraham, all the true Christian people of God:
    This is no time for you to be distressed, not a time for you to be frightened, for you will praise and worship My Name, [Jesus] when you see what has been done in your midst. [1 Peter 1:5] You will hold sacred your Redeemer and regard your God with awe. THEN the confused will understand and those who refused instruction will believe the truth. Isaiah 32:3-4

    The holy Land Regenerated: Ezekiel 36:8
    In a very short time Lebanon [and all of the holy Land] will be brought back from ruin to like a garden land and good fertile land will be as common as scrubland is now. Joel 3:18
    The Lord will send rain immediately after the terrible fires and earthquakes of the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, as described in Isaiah 30:25
    The veil of misunderstanding will be lifted then: Isaiah 32:4

    On that Day the deaf will hear with understanding the Words of scripture and the spiritually blinded will see the truth. The lowly will once again rejoice in the Lord and the poor will exult in the Holy One of Israel. For the ungodly and the arrogant will cease to exist. Those who are quick to find mischief and those who falsely accuse others or lay traps for the unwary; all these will be cut down and perish. Isaiah 66:17, 2 Peter 3:7

    The Great Exodus of the Lord’s righteous people to their inheritance:
    On that Day, [NOT the Return, but at the next prophesied event.] the Lord will exert His power a second time to recover the remnant of His people from wherever they are scattered around the world. Isaiah 49:12-13, Isaiah 66:20 He will make a sign to the nations and gather those dispersed of the House of Israel, [now the Christian peoples] He will assemble Judah’s scattered people and the enmity between Israel and Judah will cease. Ezekiel 37:13-28
    Ref. REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    I agree, confirmed by Ezekiel 20:34-38.
    But note that those gathered at that time will consist of both Houses, proved by the context of that chapter.

    The Great Chapter of Isaiah 29:1-24:

    What will happen very soon:
    Suddenly, in an instant punishment will come from the heavens. The Lord will act in His wrath against all those who make war against Jerusalem, all those who surround Israel. With a great noise amid flames of devouring fire, earthquakes and powerful storms, they will disappear like a dream, like a vision of the night – gone when you awake. So it will be with the horde of nations who attack the holy Land. They will crumble into dust and be blown away like chaff. Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12, Revelation 6:12-17
    This is quite a different event from Armageddon, it is the many prophesied Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a literal day of a Coronal Mass Ejection sunspot explosion. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7
    But, disaster will come to those who live in the Land, there will be mourning and tears when the Lord makes Jerusalem His fire altar. He will bring those people down, the survivors will hide underground, their voices will squeak out of the earth. Isaiah 31:5, Zechariah 13:8-9

    The Lord’s people – Jews and Christians:
    Because My people worship Me with empty words and pay Me lip service, while their hearts are far from Me and their religion is but human doctrines learnt by rote, therefore I shall shock them again and again. The wisdom of their learned people will vanish and all discernment will be lost. Matthew 11:25-26
    Woe to those who try to hide their devious plans from the Lord. All those who say: Who can see what we do? Who knows our plans? Do not think your Maker is unaware of your doings, you are placing yourself higher than Him, if you think that. 1 Peter 3:12

    Belief in wrong teaching leads to an inability to understand the truth:
    If you confuse yourself, you will stay confused, if you blind yourself, you will stay blinded. Be drunk, but not with strong drink, for the Lord has poured upon you a spirit of deep stupor. He has closed your eyes to prophetic understanding and muffled your heads; your so called, wise teachers. For you the Prophetic vision of the end times is like a sealed book that you cannot read. Isaiah 6:9-10, Acts 13:41

    The Word of the Lord to the descendants of Abraham, all the true Christian people of God:
    This is no time for you to be distressed, not a time for you to be frightened, for you will praise and worship My Name, [Jesus] when you see what has been done in your midst. [1 Peter 1:5] You will hold sacred your Redeemer and regard your God with awe. THEN the confused will understand and those who refused instruction will believe the truth. Isaiah 32:3-4

    The holy Land Regenerated: Ezekiel 36:8
    In a very short time Lebanon [and all of the holy Land] will be brought back from ruin to like a garden land and good fertile land will be as common as scrubland is now. Joel 3:18
    The Lord will send rain immediately after the terrible fires and earthquakes of the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, as described in Isaiah 30:25
    The veil of misunderstanding will be lifted then: Isaiah 32:4

    On that Day the deaf will hear with understanding the Words of scripture and the spiritually blinded will see the truth. The lowly will once again rejoice in the Lord and the poor will exult in the Holy One of Israel. For the ungodly and the arrogant will cease to exist. Those who are quick to find mischief and those who falsely accuse others or lay traps for the unwary; all these will be cut down and perish. Isaiah 66:17, 2 Peter 3:7

    The Great Exodus of the Lord’s righteous people to their inheritance:
    On that Day, [NOT the Return, but at the next prophesied event.] the Lord will exert His power a second time to recover the remnant of His people from wherever they are scattered around the world. Isaiah 49:12-13, Isaiah 66:20 He will make a sign to the nations and gather those dispersed of the House of Israel, [now the Christian peoples] He will assemble Judah’s scattered people and the enmity between Israel and Judah will cease. Ezekiel 37:13-28
    Ref. REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.
    I would have to go through all of the mentioned passages. Generally, prophecies deal with more recent events, and only mention the ultimate end of all these things at the eschaton. But more distant events are mentioned as well, such as the 3.5 years of Antichrist's reign.

    Sometimes a prophecy of Israel's restoration may refer to the ancient Persian Restoration, and yet is viewed as completed at the coming of the Messianic Kingdom. What this indicates is that the historical precedents still have validity today, in describing the things that put Israel under judgment, and the hope of the righteous few.

    I don't know anything about a sunspot explosion, except that in the 4th plague of Rev 16 men are burned by the sun. These plagues seem to be directed at the Kingdom of the Beast, but here a sun plague may impact men more generally. As far as I know, this could be a CME.

    If men fail to see the direction this age is headed--the sin, and the potential judgment of God, they are indeed truly blind! And they will get what their wicked deeds deserve.

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    Re: The Great Second Exodus

    I would be interested in your comments on Isaiah 29:1-24.

    The way I see it is: it means exactly what it says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    I would be interested in your comments on Isaiah 29:1-24.

    The way I see it is: it means exactly what it says.
    As usual I see prophecy given primarily to the people to whom it is directly addressed, though the situation has remained somewhat true for all time. It establishes the problem with Israel, that though she is called "the lion of God," her people are often spiritually blind as a group. She was soon to be devastated by Assyria, and this pattern would follow all the way through to the Roman judgment.

    However, the prophecy says, "in a very short time" Lebanon would be restored. This indicates that not too long after the devastation of the captivities, which was one generation, Israel would be restored. And the surrounding area, Lebanon, which provided wood to restore Jerusalem, would recover. The trees cut down would grow in a single generation, allowing Jerusalem to be restored. Ezra and Nehemiah brought new spiritual insight to the Jews who participated in this return, even though there remained elements of spiritual blindness.

    Paul seems to apply this spiritual blindness to the Jewish People in the NT era. And so, this can indirectly be applied to the present era, in which the Jewish People remain blind. In the time of their final conflict with the pagan world they will quickly be restored, and Christ will, at his Coming, restore their spiritual insight. Those who refuse to repent will be destroyed.

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    At the great gathering into the promised Land, as described to us by the prophets, the Lord’s righteous people: every faithful Christian, will march proudly to music as they enter their heritage. Ephesians 1:10-14
    Their Redeemer and Deliverer is waiting to show them His favour, He will guide and protect them, in the same manner as He did with their ancestors during the Exodus from Egypt. 1 Corinthians 10:1-5
    The Land will blossom and flourish, Isaiah 35:1-10 and they will live there in peace and security, excepting for a 3˝ year period of control by the Anti Christ. Then will come the return of Jesus for His Millennial reign.

    Isaiah 30:18 Yet the Lord is waiting to show you His favour, He yearns to have pity on you. Happy are those who wait on Him!

    Ezekiel 20:34-38 By My strong arm and outpoured wrath, I shall bring you out from among the peoples and gather you from the lands where you have been dispersed. I shall bring you into a desert place and bring you into judgement, as I did with your ancestors out of Egypt. I shall pass you under the rod of judgement and count you as you enter Israel. Those who revolt and rebel against Me will not enter the Land.
    ‘outpoured wrath’ refers to the next prophesied event – the terrible Day of the Lord’s wrath and vengeance, that destroys His enemies and cleanses the Land by fire. The Christian Israelites will then march into and take over all that area promised, so long ago to Abraham.

    Ezekiel 36:8 You: Land of Israel – grow your trees and yield your fruit, for the homecoming of My people, Israel, is near.

    Micah 4:6 On that Day, I shall gather those who are lost, I shall assemble the dispersed.
    Micah 2:12 I will assemble you, the whole House of Jacob. [now every faithful Christian] I will gather you together with those remaining in Israel and herd them like sheep in a fold.
    Jeremiah 3:22 Come back, you apostate people and I shall heal you. Here we are, our God, we are coming back to You.

    Jeremiah 31:8-9 See how I bring My people from the ends of the earth, a vast company – they come home, weeping and repentant. I shall comfort them and lead them on smooth paths.
    Isaiah 43:19 I am about to do something new, can you see it? I will make a path for My people.

    Isaiah 58:11 The Lord will guide you, He will satisfy your needs in the desert and give strength.
    Isaiah 62:10 Pass through the gates, clear a road for My people and mark their way.
    Isaiah 42:16 Without fail, I shall lead the blind and guide My people along paths unknown to them.

    Psalms 68:7-9 The Lord, leading His people, marching through the desert- the earth shakes and rain pours down. Isaiah 44:3
    Isaiah 30:29 For you there will be joyful singing, as you march into Israel, the Holy Land of God.
    Isaiah 40:26-31 Lift your eyes to the heavens, consider your Creator, He leads His people out – each summoned by name, none are missing. He gives strength to the exhausted and those who look to Him will not faint, they march as on eagles wings.

    Obadiah 19:21 My people will possess the Negev, Samaria, Northern and southern Jordan and all the coastlands of the Mediterranean.
    Isaiah 49:8-11 The Lord says: In the time of My favour, on the Day of Deliverance, I will come to your aid, you are My people destined to be a light to the nations and to restore the Land. Go free now and in the Land you will find food and water in plenty. It will not be too hot when the One who loves them will guide them along highways. My people, coming from all parts of the world, will shout for joy as they enter their Land. For God has comforted His people in their distress.
    Reference REB. Some verses abridged.

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    Isaiah 66:5-6 Hear the Word of the Lord, you who revere His Name and keep His commandments. Those scoffers who say: Where is Jesus? When will your so-called God do anything? They will be shocked, for with a great noise His retribution will fall upon them. 2 Peter 3:3-10

    Isaiah 63:18 Why have ungodly people trespassed on Your holy place? Why do enemies trample the holy Land? Psalm 37:10-11, Jeremiah 6:12

    Jeremiah 12:8-17 Is this Land of Mine a hyena’s lair? The birds of prey and the wild beasts have taken My holy Land over, they ravage it and trample it down, making it a desolation, to My sorrow. The Lord says: I shall uproot all those evil neighbours who have encroached onto the Land that I allotted to My people. Judah too, I shall uproot, but if any of them learn the right ways of My people, then they can join and live again in the holy Land. My sword of punishment will devour the Land from end to end, no living thing will remain there. Ezekiel 21:1-7, Isaiah 6:11-13

    Psalms 7:12-16 The enemy prepares his weapons again, but it is against himself that he has made ready his deadly shafts, tipped with fire. They are all in collusion with iniquity and sinfulness, their plans for violence and terror will fall upon their own heads.

    Psalms 68:1-3 May God arise and His enemies be scattered. He will disperse them like smoke. His fire will melt them like wax and they will perish in the heat of His wrath, but the righteous will be joyful, as they exult in the triumph of their God.

    Isaiah 29:5-6 Suddenly, all in an instant, punishment will come from God Almighty with thunder, earthquakes and a great noise, with storm tempest and flames of devouring fire. The horde of your enemies will crumble into dust, that multitude of ruthless foes will scatter like chaff. Zephaniah 3:8, Isaiah 66:15-16, Rev. 6:12-17

    Micah 5:7-15 All the remnant of the descendants of Jacob, now dispersed among the nations, will become like dew from the Lord, they will look only to Him who saves them. Their enemy’s will be destroyed, but on that Day their military power will be lost, all the occult followers will die and any things of idol worship will be gone.

    Amos 9:10 In anger and fury the Lord will wreak vengeance on all the peoples who disobey Him. Isaiah 66:15-17

    Zechariah 8:11-13 The Lord says: I do not feel the same now toward the remnant of My people, as I did in former days. Hosea 11:8-11 Now I shall save you and bless you, you will work the Land in safety, the sky will give rain and the soil will yield abundant produce. Ezekiel 36:8, Joel 2:23-27, Amos 9:13-15, Jer. 30:18-22 Ref: REB abridged and paraphrased.

    Birds of prey and wild beasts have taken over My Land… and the evil neighbours…
    These are metaphors for the ungodly peoples who are now living in the holy Land.
    The enemies deadly shafts, tipped with fire – an ancient description for a modern weapon: a nuke tipped missile. It is against themselves they have prepared their weapons and they will fall onto their own heads. All the weapons ready to fire at Israel will explode on the launch pad or in their bunkers.
    Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come in the heat of the Lord’s wrath, causing earthquakes with flames of fire that will burn His enemies to ashes. As described here and throughout the Bible, this will be a huge coronal mass ejection sun explosion that will fulfill all the graphic prophecies about the Lord’s judgement by fire. Isaiah 30:25-28, Malachi 4:1 & 3

    But the punishment by exile of Israel and Judah will be completed and the Lord will save and bless them. They will go back to their inheritance, all that area promised to Abraham, cleansed from end to end by this terrible devastation by fire. Many prophecies tell about the great second Exodus of righteous Israelites to the holy Land, where they will work the Land in safety, being a light to the nations, all as originally meant for them. They will send out 144,000 missionaries to tell the world the gospel of the coming Kingdom of Jesus. [Only those who are faithful Christians will enter the Land. Ezekiel 20:34-38, Isaiah 35:1-10]

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    Psalms 68:1-35 Let the Lord arise, let His enemies be scattered. Let those who hate Him be gone! Let the Lord’s enemies perish in His fiery judgement1, like wax before a fire and as smoke is dispersed.
    Lord: summon Your strength, use it now as You did for Your people long ago. Rebuke those wild beasts, those proud and arrogant sinners; all those who love violence and war2. All power and strength belongs to the Lord, enthroned on high. Cleanse now Your holy Land and give strength to Your people, we pray.

    The Lord says: I shall bring My enemies together into the place of slaughter, from wherever they are. I will smite them there, their blood will flow out so that you can bathe your feet in it and your dogs will lick it up.
    When the Lord speaks out in mighty thunder1, kings and their armies will flee in terror. When the Almighty scatters those evil peoples and clears the holy Land, snow will fall on Mt Zalman3.

    We sing the praises of our Saviour and Redeemer. He who rides on the clouds, He is our Father and the defender of His righteous people, but those who refuse to acknowledge Him will remain in the desert4.

    When the Lord saves His people, there will be thousands of vehicles for them5, as He leads them to safety through the barren desert. The earth will tremble and rain will pour down to replenish the holy Land 6. There Your people will settle, for in Your goodness Lord, You provide for the poor and needy.
    The procession of all Israel comes into view; into the Holy city. First the singers, then the musicians. The little tribe of Benjamin will lead, with Judah, Zebulon and Naphtali following, marching on their way the Zion’s holy mountain: on to the Temple in Jerusalem. Kings will bring gifts and envoys will come from far off nations to honour and praise Israel’s God. His Majesty and blessing is over the holy Land , the Lord enthroned in heaven will give strength to His people 7.

    Praise be to God! Ref: REB, CJB. Psalm 68 in a chronological order.

    1/The Lord’s judgement by fire; an earth directed CME explosion of the sun: Isaiah 30:25-28, Malachi 4:1, Isaiah 66:15-16, Revelation 6:12-17, 2 Peter 3:10
    2/ The Islamic peoples who love war and death: Ezekiel 35:5-6, Proverbs 1:16
    3/ Mt Zalman – near Shechem. [Nablus] This detail informs us that the Day of the Lord’s wrath will happen during a Northern winter. Judges 9:48, Matthew 24:20
    4/ Then all of the Lord’s people are gathered, then ‘passed under the rod of judgement’. Ezekiel 20:35-38…’those who revolt and rebel will not enter the Land’. Deuteronomy 32:36
    5/ The Lord will provide transport! Isaiah 66:20, Psalms 107:1-32, Isaiah 60:1-9
    6/ All of the holy Land will be regenerated and become fertile: Ezekiel 36:8-11, Isaiah 35:1-2, Isaiah 66:12, Joel 2:21-26, Amos 9:13-15
    7/ Strength and comfort to His people: Isaiah 40:29-31, Jer. 31:21-26, Zech. 10:12 Note that the Lord remains ‘enthroned in heaven’. The glorious Return comes later. The Lord's true Christian people, from every tribe, [of Israel] every nation, [of the world] every language, [ethnic group] will gather in Jerusalem. Revelation 7:9. THEY will build the Temple, Zechariah 6:15. THEY will elect leaders, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11. THEY will greet Jesus after all that is prophesied takes place, with the shout: Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    So; did Ezekiel 37 happen then?
    I do not think so and I refute your idea that the House of Israel and the House of Judah have rejoined. Some did go both ways, but never a total rejoining, proved simply by the numbers of the Jews even today; maybe 20 million tops, far from; 'as many as the sands of the sea'.

    A while ago it was discussed on this forum, the subject of the fate of the Jewish State of Israel. Our Jewish friend, Fenris was involved.
    I proved from scripture that they will be virtually wiped out on the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath.
    There was no rebuttal from the Bible to my posts and now you just go on with the old false notion of a general Jewish redemption. A tenet of the 'rapture to heaven' theory, neither are prophesied and neither will happen.

    Are you a Bible believer or not?
    I am with Randy on this one. Israel has since the time of Ezra and Nehemiah become one. The division that marked the OT era no longer exists. It will be a gross error to believe that those Jesus ministered to during his earthly ministry were only those of Judah.

    Ezekiel 37 won't help you if you don't understand its message. The 'dry bones' refer to Israel (both houses) and it was raised back to life in 1948 as prophecied after near 1,950 years as dry bones - when Israel didn't exist as a nation.

    I don't know the scripture you claim supposedly says Israel that will be "virtually wiped out on the Day of the Lord's wrath"? But I can only say your position is spurious and unscriptural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    I would be interested in your comments on Isaiah 29:1-24.

    The way I see it is: it means exactly what it says.
    Isaiah 29 was fulfilled during Israel's captivity and restoration 70 years later.

    But as with most prophecies, there are strains of future events e.g. verses 18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. 19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.

    I see these verses fulfilled when God sent the Holy Ghost to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trivalee View Post
    I am with Randy on this one. Israel has since the time of Ezra and Nehemiah become one. The division that marked the OT era no longer exists. It will be a gross error to believe that those Jesus ministered to during his earthly ministry were only those of Judah.

    Ezekiel 37 won't help you if you don't understand its message. The 'dry bones' refer to Israel (both houses) and it was raised back to life in 1948 as prophecied after near 1,950 years as dry bones - when Israel didn't exist as a nation.

    I don't know the scripture you claim supposedly says Israel that will be "virtually wiped out on the Day of the Lord's wrath"? But I can only say your position is spurious and unscriptural.
    If you want to believe that Israel and Judah have rejoined, then you must allegorize the spiritual blessings that they will receive in Ezekiel 37. Physically, the Jewish State of Israel has prospered, but they don't acknowledge God's help in this, or in their wars.

    They now face Judgment and punishment; here is some scriptures that you 'don't know':

    Ezekiel 21:2-7 Son of man, set your face toward Jerusalem and prophesy against the Land of Israel. My sword will be drawn against everyone from the Negev to the North, it will kill both the righteous and wicked alike. All courage will fail – it will surely take place.
    Ezekiel 21:10-14 My sword is sharpened to kill, even the scepter of My Royal Son. Testing will surely come and what if the scepter of Judah, which the sword despises, does not continue? Swing the sword three times, the great sword of slaughter. [1st time – 585BC, 2nd time - 69/70AD, 3rd time- to come]

    Jeremiah 8:5-12 Judah has no remorse or repentance, How can you say: We have the Law, when your scribes have falsified it? For all, high and low are out for ill-gotten gain, your prophets and rabbis are frauds, every one of them. This wicked race would rather die than live. They say: All is well; no, nothing is well, they will all fall with a great crash on the Day of Reckoning. You will be as dung spread on the ground. Then, I will give the Land to new owners.
    Ezekiel 16:35-63 Listen you harlot: Because of your brazen excesses...I shall bring you to trial for adultery and murder...You must bear the consequences of your lewd and abominable conduct, I shall treat you as you deserve, because you violated an oath and made light of a covenant.
    You will remember and be so ashamed and humiliated that you will never open your mouth again. [after the Lord’s punishment and pardon]

    Amos 2:4-5 For the crimes of Judah, there will be no reprieve, they have spurned the Law of the Lord and have not observed His decrees. They have followed false gods. Therefore I shall send fire on Judah, fire will consume them.
    Hosea 8:14And for you, Judah, a harvest of reckoning will come, I will send fire onto your cities
    Zephaniah 1:4-6 Judah will be judged and those who have neither sought the Lord, nor enquired of Him, will be wiped out.
    Obadiah 1:15-16 The Day of the Lord is at hand for all the nations....you too will drink the cup of wrath that My people, Judah, must drink on My Holy mountain.
    Jeremiah 19:11 I shall smash this people, as a clay jar is smashed beyond repair. There will be no room left to bury them all.
    Jeremiah 21:11-14 To the Royal House of Judah....I shall punish you as you deserve. I shall set fire to your scrubland, it will consume everything around about.
    Ezekiel 20:46-47...I am about to kindle a fire in the Negev....it will scorch everyone in the Land.
    Zechariah 13:8-9 It will happen throughout the Land, that 2/3 of the people will die. The 1/3 left will pass through the refining fire. Those who survive will call on Me and I will answer them.... Only a remnant will survive. Romans 9:27

    Isaiah 9:18-19 Wicked men have been set ablaze. The Land is scorched and the people are fuel for the fire.
    Jeremiah 13:19 The towns in the Negev are besieged, no one can relieve them. Judah has been swept clean away.
    Isaiah 4:3-4 The remnant of Judah will be called holy when the Lord cleanses Zion by a Spirit of judgement burning like fire. Isaiah 22:14, Jeremiah 10:18

    Luke 19:27 As for those enemies of Mine, who did not want Me for their King, bring them here and slaughter them
    Matthew 27:25 His blood be upon us and our children.
    Matthew 21:41-43 The King will bring those criminals to justice and destroy them. Therefore the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will bear its fruit.
    Reference: REB. NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged

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    Been reading through many of these threads, and it is for certain their is much confusion on the prophecies with respect to God's promises for the Nation of Israel in general. Chapter 37, concerning the dry bones seems to be of interest to many.

    I strongly recommend for those interested in understanding this subject more clearly go to the enclosed link. The study has several half hr. segments. But profoundly educational.

    Blessing All,

    https://youtu.be/JuudrYAfizQ

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