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Thread: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

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    Cool Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    He isn't posing nor described as a lamb. He is only said to be a beast with the horns of a lamb, and in the Greek it is actually the horns of a young lamb...as a beast he does not appear threatening is all the horns represent. It has nothing to do with any tribes of Israel or trying to look like a lamb. If I drew a cartoon of a bear that had lamb's horns you wouldn't say the bear was posing as a lamb.
    Oh yeah, why wouldn't I? If I saw a bear with lambs horns I would most certainly say it is posing as a lamb. I believe the second beast is the "son of perdition" pretending to represent Christ. The "Vicar of Christ" the pope himself.
    John 15:17 "These things I command you, that ye love one another."

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    Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    These two horns represent the southern house of Judah, the tribes Judah and Benjamin.
    What are the grounds for that claim?

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    Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

    Quote Originally Posted by Radagast View Post
    What are the grounds for that claim?
    1. The AC claims to be Christ. Christ the lamb of God from what tribe?
    2. As Christ, the AC would have rule over the (7) churches and (12 tribes) Israel which receive his mark. (7 heads would be equivalent to the 7 angels/churches)
    3. There are a total of 12 horns. 10 in the first beast, and two in the second. This represent those of Israel which follow him.

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    Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    1. The AC claims to be Christ. Christ the lamb of God from what tribe?
    If you mean that the Antichrist claims to be the Jewish Messiah, that's not in the Bible.

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    2. As Christ, the AC would have rule over the (7) churches and (12 tribes) Israel which receive his mark. (7 heads would be equivalent to the 7 angels/churches)
    Huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    3. There are a total of 12 horns. 10 in the first beast, and two in the second. This represent those of Israel which follow him.
    What makes you say that the horns represent 12 tribes?

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    Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

    The correct understanding is that it looked like a lamb. The lamb is a metaphor for a Christian. It looked like a Christian, but it spoke like a dragon (it's doctrines were evil).

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    Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

    Quote Originally Posted by BCHYH View Post
    The correct understanding is that it looked like a lamb.
    It only has the horns of a lamb.

    Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

    Brother , the second beast , comes preaching a false message about the first beast , causing them to worship the first beast the false messiah " who's deadly wound was healed ...the second beast serves the first beast the eighth king who comes twice. The first beast serves the dragon, Satan the spiritual being.

    the first beast is comprised of kingdoms and kings , 18 of them counting the beasts two comings. He is first among the 7 heads kings....then comes a second time , ruling the ten kings of the future, and uprooting 3 of them.

    note the succession the dragon is cast from heaven , then the beast appears, then the second beast appears serving the first...the false messiah we know who the false Christ is , because he appears slain and yet lives ...like the lamb on the throne. Note the dragons appearance and the first beasts...

    And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

    And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman ( Israel) which brought forth the man child. (jesus)

    And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, ( Jesus brethren ) which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
    **Revelation‬ *12:3, 7-9, 13, 17‬ *KJV‬‬

    the dragon goes to make war against the saints , but he is a spirit , so he accomplishes this through men , or rather successive kings who serve him ( the beast) note the beast is made after the dragons image, and the dragon gives the beast his power and authority to accomplish his will of warring against the saints ( which the beast does)


    " And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. .......and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.”
    **Revelation‬ *13:1-2‬ *KJV‬‬

    “And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

    And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

    And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    If any man have an ear, let him hear.


    see you have a mock of God , and jesus, the dragon gave his power and authority to the beast who appears dead but lives...this is a mock of God giving Jesus who was slain and lives his power and authority ....then the second beast ....this represents the false church that worships the beast ,mthe false messiah . Note , he speaks as the dragon, and is still using the dragons power he gave to the first beast, his purpose is to cause people to worship the first beast.....who is the false messiah .


    And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

    And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

    Revelation‬ *13:3-4, 6-9 KJV‬‬


    the likeness into the lamb , is telling us his message is going to appear as Christian , but it will not be of God , it will be of the dragons inspiration.....in the end it will be a chirch that promotes sin , and refuses to acknowledge thier sins and repent of them ...this message will claim to be of the lamb, but the words will be of the dragon....

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