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    The three plucked up are the Lion, Bear, and Leopard

    Dan 7
    12 As concerning the rest of the beasts (lion, bear, leopard), they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

    Daniel names specifically three whom lose power. Lion, Bear, Leopard.

    Dan 7
    19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
    20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell (lion, bear, leopard); even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

    Who were the three which lost power? Lion, Bear, Leopard. Thus these are the three which fall above at the hands of the fourth beast.

    Rev 13
    1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
    2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

    Revelation confirms the three which fell are the lion, bear, leopard and now encompass the fourth beast. Rev 13 show the rising of this fourth beast which now the lion, bear, and leopard are part.

    Dan 7
    8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

    Unfortunately nobody focuses on other scriptures when identifying these three rather on the above verse in which Daniel mentions three "first" horns being plucked up. However Daniel does not specifically state the "first" horns are the 10 horns and nowhere in scripture is it supported that any of the 10 horns fall. Rather it is impossible that 3 of the 10 horns fall as all 10 are intact until the coming of the Lord. Verse 8 may actually be a translation error in light of the other scriptures and should say "first beasts" instead of first horns. Reguardless, horns can be beasts as well.

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    Re: The three plucked up are the Lion, Bear, and Leopard

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Dan 7
    12 As concerning the rest of the beasts (lion, bear, leopard), they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

    Daniel names specifically three whom lose power. Lion, Bear, Leopard.

    Dan 7
    19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
    20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell (lion, bear, leopard); even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

    Who were the three which lost power? Lion, Bear, Leopard. Thus these are the three which fall above at the hands of the fourth beast.

    Rev 13
    1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
    2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

    Revelation confirms the three which fell are the lion, bear, leopard and now encompass the fourth beast. Rev 13 show the rising of this fourth beast which now the lion, bear, and leopard are part.

    Dan 7
    8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

    Unfortunately nobody focuses on other scriptures when identifying these three rather on the above verse in which Daniel mentions three "first" horns being plucked up. However Daniel does not specifically state the "first" horns are the 10 horns and nowhere in scripture is it supported that any of the 10 horns fall. Rather it is impossible that 3 of the 10 horns fall as all 10 are intact until the coming of the Lord. Verse 8 may actually be a translation error in light of the other scriptures and should say "first beasts" instead of first horns. Reguardless, horns can be beasts as well.
    The problem with your interpretation is that it says that there were THREE of the first [TEN] horns uprooted. You are instead saying that THREE of the FOUR beasts were uprooted. And that is not correct. THREE out of TEN horns were uprooted, and THREE out of FOUR kings were subdued.

    Dan 7:8 KJV I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. [3 of 10].

    Dan 7:12 KJV As concerning the REST of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. [3 of 4].

    How many do the "rest of the beasts" constitute when there were 4 to start with? Hint, hint: ONE beast dies and his kingdom destroyed, but the rest of the beasts only had their dominions [that's the physical realm of their kingdom] taken away and their lives were spared for a season and a time. Do you get it now? THREE kings had their dominions taken away by the (2nd king to arise and rule over) 4th beast... it's king. The 4th beast's king subdues the other THREE kings. And the little horn (also of the 4th beast/ kingdom) uproots THREE of the TEN horns.

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    Re: The three plucked up are the Lion, Bear, and Leopard

    Quote Originally Posted by Pesachpup View Post
    The problem with your interpretation is that it says that there were THREE of the first [TEN] horns uprooted. You are instead saying that THREE of the FOUR beasts were uprooted. And that is not correct. THREE out of TEN horns were uprooted, and THREE out of FOUR kings were subdued.
    But how can three of the ten horns be uprooted with all ten are together until the coming of the Lord?

    Rev 17
    12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
    13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
    14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

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    Re: The three plucked up are the Lion, Bear, and Leopard

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    But how can three of the ten horns be uprooted with all ten are together until the coming of the Lord?

    Rev 17
    12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
    13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
    14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
    I'll explain this as best that I can by starting with a verse from Rev 17.

    Rev 17:17 KJV For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

    A few things to note.

    1. A beast IS a symbolic representation of a kingdom.
    2. The 10 kings are a kingdom [akin to NATO] where the 10 nations retain their national sovereignty. The U.S. is a member of NATO, but does not, in itself constitute the whole of NATO.
    3. No where does it ever say that this kingdom has 11 horns. It is always, other than by the interpretation of men, is it referred to any other way.
    4. Reiterating #1 above, only by the doctrines of men (who are trying to understand) a beast does not represent more than one kingdom. And because of that, the 7 heads ARE NOT 7 kingdoms spanning through time. There are no scriptures to support the view that a beast represents multiple kingdoms. It represents something else. That something else is the 10 minus 3 = 7 leaders of the 7 remaining kingdoms.

    Because there is not a kingdom of 11 horns, this means that the "11th horn" is a kingdom that forms from within the domain of the 10, and not from without. And because of that, the "head" of the kingdom of the little horn, is one of the 7 heads of the beast.
    5. Because the 10 horns give THEIR KINGDOM unto the beast, this shows that "the beast" is a kingdom that forms within the 10 horned kingdom. This also means that the kingdom of the little horn IS the best, aka kingdom (of the beast). I said all that to say this. The 10 horns (as well as the 'little ' horn) are 10 sovereign kingdoms, rather 11, under the authority of a king. This is why the 10 horns are referred to as kings rather than kingdoms and why the one who forms the little horn kingdom, from within their domain IS one of the 10 horns. THE BEAST is the newly formed, and combined kingdoms of the little horns (former) kingdom from among the 10, and the 3 uprooted kingdoms. Because this kingdom, THE BEAST, does not strictly retain the name of the little horns kingdom, it is the combining of 4 of the original 10. [As the "11th" horn, He retains authority over his former kingdom]. What is the kingdom of the beast? It is the beast with 2 horns like a lamb... none other than Media - Persia. What is the former kingdom of the little horn? The kingdom of the Medes!
    When John portrays the whore of Babylon as how it existed in the days of the (6th) king that CURRENTLY IS, he is referring to a future king of Persia, just BEFORE the 7th one, the little horn takes control of both kingdoms of the Medes AND Persians. In John's day, the Medo-Persian kingdom was a defunct kingdom. Using John's words he said that the beast was and is not. The Achaeminid/Persian empire ceased to exist at the hands of Alexander the great. And this is exactly what Daniel 8 says; the He-goat smote the Ram and broke his two horns... The kingdom of Media Persia.

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    Re: The three plucked up are the Lion, Bear, and Leopard

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Dan 7
    12 As concerning the rest of the beasts (lion, bear, leopard), they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

    Daniel names specifically three whom lose power. Lion, Bear, Leopard.

    Dan 7
    19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
    20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell (lion, bear, leopard); even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

    Who were the three which lost power? Lion, Bear, Leopard. Thus these are the three which fall above at the hands of the fourth beast.

    Rev 13
    1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
    2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

    Revelation confirms the three which fell are the lion, bear, leopard and now encompass the fourth beast. Rev 13 show the rising of this fourth beast which now the lion, bear, and leopard are part.

    Dan 7
    8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

    Unfortunately nobody focuses on other scriptures when identifying these three rather on the above verse in which Daniel mentions three "first" horns being plucked up. However Daniel does not specifically state the "first" horns are the 10 horns and nowhere in scripture is it supported that any of the 10 horns fall. Rather it is impossible that 3 of the 10 horns fall as all 10 are intact until the coming of the Lord. Verse 8 may actually be a translation error in light of the other scriptures and should say "first beasts" instead of first horns. Reguardless, horns can be beasts as well.
    Ok, so just to give a context to my opinion.

    The structural framework is (starting from May 14, 1948/ 5 Iyar, 5708): 70 years, 70 weeks, 7 weeks, 62 weeks, 1/2 week, 1335 days, 70 weeks. The abomination of desolation occurs at the beginning of the 1335 days. At the end of the 1335 days = the start of Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts (lion, bear, leopard), they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

    that 'season and time' after the 4th beast is the '70 weeks to finish the transgression'. The 'transgression' occurred at the beginning of the 1335 days.

    266 days after the 1335 days = the 77th year 'when a holy place is anointed' (Dan 9:24's 70 'shabua' can be read as 70 7 years/ aka '77 years'.

    Translating this into Revelation terms:
    the start of the 6th Seal = the start of the 1335 days
    the end of the 1335 begins Revelation 12's 'sign of the son of man in heaven' / birth 9 months (266 days until the 'holy place is anointed').
    At the end of the 266 days = the 7th Trumpet 'kingdom of heaven' which is simultaneous with the Rev 13's beast from the sea & earth.
    Subtract 1263.5 days to get to 24 Kislev when new Zerubabel & new Joshua (same name as 'Jesus'/ 'Yeshua') (the 2 witnesses are given power).

    One of the biggest rules of thumb to go by is that prophecy is written deliberately ambiguously - the purpose of which is to allow Satan to imitate it: the wicked can use a version of prophecy to facilitate their desire to appear to be 'holy'.

    So, going back to Rev 12: the dragon is anti- woman. The earth is pro- woman (the earth helps the woman). (we could loosely say that the beast is a Nazi kingdom against Israel). the beast from the earth is the false prophet who is anti-Nazi at the beginning of the 1260 days of the 2 witnesses, then turns around and promotes the Nazi kingdom at the 7th Trumpet. Again, the beast is not, for example, a 'Republican' or 'Democrat': it's both, and it will get you coming or going.

    the biblical illustration is in Deut 12

    1“These are the statutes and rules that you shall be careful to do in the land that the Lord, the God of your fathers, has given you to possess, all the days that you live on the earth. 2 You shall surely destroy all the places where the nations whom you shall dispossess served their gods, on the high mountains and on the hills and under every green tree. 3You shall tear down their altars and dash in pieces their pillars and burn their Asherim with fire. You shall chop down the carved images of their gods and destroy their name out of that place. 4You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way. 5But you shall seek the place that the Lord your God will choose out of all your tribes to put his name and make his habitation there. There you shall go, 6and there you shall bring your burnt offerings and your sacrifices, your tithes and the contribution that you present, your vow offerings, your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herd and of your flock. 7And there you shall eat before the Lord your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your households, in all that you undertake, in which the Lord your God has blessed you.

    29“When the Lord your God cuts off before you the nations whom you go in to dispossess, and you dispossess them and dwell in their land, 30take care that you be not ensnared to follow them, after they have been destroyed before you, and that you do not inquire about their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods?—that I also may do the same.’ 31You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way, for every abominable thing that the Lord hates they have done for their gods, for they even burn their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods.

    The beast has done 'every abominable thing' (during its 1335 days). Then, God gives the land of the beast to Christians to possess. They go into the land, but they are betrayed by one of their own. This traitor, the false prophet, goes and encourages the worship of the abomination of the beast that has just died (but it gets a mortal head wound and resurrects). People of the earth trusted the False Prophet because he was against the beast for so long. Of course there will be some sort of justification for it... The False prophet will be anointing the resurrected beast kingdom as the 'holy place'/ aka kingdom of heaven at the 77th year anniversary. (so really, there are 2 abomination of desolation events: when the beast does it at the start of the 1335 days & when the false prophet does it at the end of 1335 days + 266 days (9 months of Rev 12) to falsely create the 'kingdom of heaven' at the 7th Trumpet/ 77th anniversary.

    In this manner, the beast kingdom will be imitating 'I will make the synagogue of Satan worship at your feet': they will be subservient to the beast from the earth kingdom/ the whore of Babylon.

    Again, the beast kingdom has just died at the end of the 1335 days. Now there is a 'season and a time' (70 weeks) to finish the transgression. Christians & tares (the earth that is pro- woman/ Israel) both are against the Nazi like beast kingdom (which themselves might look like tares/ wheat). They are taking control of the land & both are expecting the kingdom of heaven to start soon... 9 months later it happens, but the beast from the sea & earth kingdoms come up and try to be the kingdom of heaven.

    All of this is to say that this is why Dan 7 is written like it is: the little horn is going to imitate the 'ancient of days' coming (looks like Santa Claus). The 11th horn has to defeat a 10 horned little horn (which is why there is the Dan 7 little horn & the Dan 8 little horn.

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    Well said pesachpup! Man, I love the depth of discussion on this forum!

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