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    Quote Originally Posted by Revelation Man View Post
    Thus he looks like a Lamb but speaks as a Dragon.
    To me this statement is too vague to draw any definite conclusions. He may be a representative of Christianity and that's why he looks like a lamb. Or may just have an outward appearance of innocence but speak lies that people want to hear. In any case it seems very difficult to know for sure until the time comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DurbanDude View Post
    There's a difference between rising from the sea in Rev 13, and rising from the MANY waters in Rev 17.
    You are correct. It's not a very good comparison.

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    Re: The False Prophet

    Quote Originally Posted by DurbanDude View Post
    There's a difference between rising from the sea in Rev 13, and rising from the MANY waters in Rev 17.
    I tend to think sea is likely meaning the bottomless pit in Rev 13.

    Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth(anabaino) out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

    Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend(anabaino) out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

    Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up(anabaino) out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    I tend to think sea is likely meaning the bottomless pit in Rev 13.

    Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth(anabaino) out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

    Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend(anabaino) out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

    Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up(anabaino) out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
    I agree. The word for sea can mean the depths.

    Satan will be sent there to the bottomless pit, Abaddon will be released from there. It's a place for demons with no influence. Then released to have a sudden strong influence on earth.

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    Since this topic is connected to the 7 headed beast, let's consider the following then.

    Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

    Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

    Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
    10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
    11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
    12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
    13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.


    So how many 7 headed beasts with 10 horns are there? Just 1? Or more than 1, such as 2?


    If the latter, that being 2 distinct 7 headed beasts, and if on the beast depicted in Rev 17:9-13, the 7 heads are 7 mountains, and that the 10 horns are 10 kings, and that the 7 headed beast in Revelation 12:3 is an entirely different beast altogether, satan in this case, what then should we make of his 7 heads and 10 horns? Should we think that is meaning in the literal sense? And if no, and that they are not meaning these same 7 mountains, nor these same 10 kings in Rev 17:9-13, what are they meaning then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    I tend to think sea is likely meaning the bottomless pit in Rev 13.
    Yes. However that the beast is coming up from this pit which is located underneath the sea. The bottomless pit is literally located in the area in which John was looking over the water. At one time the world land mass was one in a circular shape surrounding by the great sea. In the middle of this land mass was a body of water in which the pit was located. There was a water route extending out to the great sea by the pillars of Hercules horns in Gibraltar. If you look at a map you can see the circular shape out along the waters of Greece.

    The location of the bottomless pit found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    Since this topic is connected to the 7 headed beast, let's consider the following then.

    So how many 7 headed beasts with 10 horns are there? Just 1? Or more than 1, such as 2?


    If the latter, that being 2 distinct 7 headed beasts, and if on the beast depicted in Rev 17:9-13, the 7 heads are 7 mountains, and that the 10 horns are 10 kings, and that the 7 headed beast in Revelation 12:3 is an entirely different beast altogether, satan in this case, what then should we make of his 7 heads and 10 horns? Should we think that is meaning in the literal sense? And if no, and that they are not meaning these same 7 mountains, nor these same 10 kings in Rev 17:9-13, what are they meaning then?
    There is only one of course. The 7 heads and 10 horns are part of Satan's government, not a part of the world's government. They are kings in his government him being the phony king of kings.

    The 7 heads being kings of Satan's counterfeit 7 churches and the 10 kings Israel.

    We see the 7 heads and 10 horns in heaven Rev 12 then coming up from the sea Rev 13. So for one this beast had to go into the sea in Rev 12. And two supports Satan's not any government upon earth today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMarcum View Post
    The Woman (Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth) was sitting on the scarlet colored beast. I think the reason he was scarlet colored was due to the blood of the saints. The woman was drunk from their blood.

    I am pretty sure this is the same beast, as in Rev 13.
    Scarlet Colored Beast just means he represents Governments, and Religious Orders, the Colors Purple and Scarlet are well known to be exclusive colors to the Royals and the Pious, thus the exclusivity. The garments of these colors only came via a long process and thus these dyes were expensive. If you want to see the picture of Revelation. 17 turn to Daniel chapter 5, the Fall of Babylon happened because of their Abomination of the Cups/Chalices of the Temple of God, thus MENE, MENE, TEKEL, thy Kingdom has been taken away from thee {handwriting on the wall}.

    The Beast of Rev. 17 is Apollyon, he comes out of the Pit, read Rev. 9, he is the King of the Pit, he is released in Rev. 9, in Rev. 11 he kills the Two-witnesses. The Beast of Rev. 13 is the Anti-Christ, a MAN. The Beast of Rev. 12 is Satan, the Dragon. These ate PLAYERS in and around the Mediterranean Sea Region Kingdoms, ALL are players. Satan is the TOP BRASS, he places a Demon named the Destroyer over the Region to DESTROY Israel, he tries to do this with Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia was used to bring Israel back to their homeland, thus he was overruled by God, Greece tried to Destroy Israel as did Rome via the Diaspora. All of those besides Cyrus tried to bring harm to Israel. He was then locked in the Pit. Then He will be released at the 1st Woe.

    Here is described the mystery of beast that carried her (vs 7). The beast ascended out of the pit (as in other references in other chapters in Revelation).

    The heads are mountains. Each mountain has a king. The horns do not have kingdoms.

    But the 8th head (mountain) is the kingdom or mountain of the False Profit. The beast with 7 heads is of the 8th head. This head goeth into perdition and will continue a short space (42 months).

    I believe this is the same head (being the kingdom of the FP) whose head received the deadly wound and then it was healed.
    The 8th King is is Apollyon, it says he is the King of the Bottomless Pit.

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    Re: The False Prophet

    Quote Originally Posted by pdun459 View Post
    To me this statement is too vague to draw any definite conclusions. He may be a representative of Christianity and that's why he looks like a lamb. Or may just have an outward appearance of innocence but speak lies that people want to hear. In any case it seems very difficult to know for sure until the time comes.
    I use many verses not just that one. I even look back 2500 years to see Jason the High Priest appointed by Antiochus. Notice, it shows the TYPE Dan. 11:21-33 then it shows THEY Anti-Christ in verses 36-45.

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    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    Since this topic is connected to the 7 headed beast, let's consider the following then.

    Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

    Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

    Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
    10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
    11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
    12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
    13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.


    So how many 7 headed beasts with 10 horns are there? Just 1? Or more than 1, such as 2?


    If the latter, that being 2 distinct 7 headed beasts, and if on the beast depicted in Rev 17:9-13, the 7 heads are 7 mountains, and that the 10 horns are 10 kings, and that the 7 headed beast in Revelation 12:3 is an entirely different beast altogether, satan in this case, what then should we make of his 7 heads and 10 horns? Should we think that is meaning in the literal sense? And if no, and that they are not meaning these same 7 mountains, nor these same 10 kings in Rev 17:9-13, what are they meaning then?
    Great point.

    And if the heads are mountains (kingdoms) and the horns are kings, then exactly how many various sets of (7) kingdoms are going to be on this earth at the same time? It is not logical to think more than (1) set at a time.

    This is why I believe they are all representing the same beast in each passage you listed. In which Satan gives the beast their power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMarcum View Post
    Then how do you interpret Rev 17:11-13?

    Rev 17:11 implies in this passage that the FP is a part of the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns.
    He is the leader of the ten horned beast empire. He has two little horns because he is the AC and is the 7th and 8th king, a dual role as king. The first is about war, the second is about peace.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdun459 View Post
    To me, the fact that the second beast arises "out of the earth" has always troubled me.
    He arises out of the pit which is in the Earth which is why angels have to come down from heaven to the Earth to open or lock the pit.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMarcum View Post
    Great point.

    And if the heads are mountains (kingdoms) and the horns are kings,
    The horns are kings and their kingdoms, ten kings and ten kingdoms. The heads/mountains are where those kingdoms are located. It's the same with pagan Rome that had ten states located on an area of land that had 7 hills. The hills/mountains are not kingdoms but where kingdoms are located.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    The horns are kings and their kingdoms, ten kings and ten kingdoms. The heads/mountains are where those kingdoms are located. It's the same with pagan Rome that had ten states located on an area of land that had 7 hills. The hills/mountains are not kingdoms but where kingdoms are located.
    Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

    What do we make of these 7 heads and 10 horns then? It can't be meaning in the literal sense. And I don't see how it can be meaning what you concluded above in regards to the 7 headed beast with 10 horns that ascends out of the sea. So what should we make of them then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

    What do we make of these 7 heads and 10 horns then? It can't be meaning in the literal sense.
    It's just a preview of what he plans to create on the Earth. We see this fulfillment in the beast from the sea.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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