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    National ID Card and NAIS a conspiracy for real!

    Well, is everybody ready to line up for the Natinal ID Card? It was on the news last night and it's slated for VA very soon.

    I wonder if they can force you to get one? I don't travel outside the US. It's mandatory by 2008.

    http://www.nonationalid.com/

    Funny how this deadline coincides with NAIS's mandates that the premises of all animal owners be registered by 2008!

    www.nonais.org

    Mark of the beasts and now they are working on the mark of the beast. Precusors, all precursors.

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    Hey, I am glad I'm not the only one thinking this. They are working on ID stuff in the UK too, and people keep laughing at me for saying that humans will be walking around with ID chips soon. Folks say, "if you've got nothing to hide, why not just go along with it?" Because I don't trust the folks in charge, that's why!

    When my son is grown I imagine he'll be living in a world where some people will be "road testing" the mark. Ie, they'll have microchips under their skin, as tracking devices (stops you being kidnapped, safety precaution don't you know) and also to use as swipe cards "to buy and sell". Only last year there were parents in the UK who paid to have a chip implanted in their daughter so that they could track her via computer and know she was safe. I can imagine this becoming a big selling point for the Mark.

    As you say, it's precursors.

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    There was a family in south florida that let themselves be used as testers of some implantable chip. The reason they gave was for medical reasons the father had many medical issues and felt that having all the info implanted on the chip in case of an imergency it could all be right there with one swipe of the scanner.

    It is true that we are all being conditioned to accept this when it happens. slowly it will take different forms and reasoning until it is madatory. Well we have front row seats watching as the technology develope and the march towards Christs return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daughter View Post
    Hey, I am glad I'm not the only one thinking this. They are working on ID stuff in the UK too, and people keep laughing at me for saying that humans will be walking around with ID chips soon. Folks say, "if you've got nothing to hide, why not just go along with it?" Because I don't trust the folks in charge, that's why!

    When my son is grown I imagine he'll be living in a world where some people will be "road testing" the mark. Ie, they'll have microchips under their skin, as tracking devices (stops you being kidnapped, safety precaution don't you know) and also to use as swipe cards "to buy and sell". Only last year there were parents in the UK who paid to have a chip implanted in their daughter so that they could track her via computer and know she was safe. I can imagine this becoming a big selling point for the Mark.

    As you say, it's precursors.
    There are already people here in the US who have been implanted. They started out with pets and then they suggested it for Alzheimer patients, next for inmates/prisoners.

    But several years ago there were people actually volunteering for it.

    Steph
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    And then I wonder how long it will be before it is considered child abuse not to have your children implanted at birth.

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    not long probably, It is a crime to discipline your children these days with out the authorites knocking at your door wondering what right you have to teach and correct them . Then they wonder where you were when they end up in jail for all sorts of crimes.

    So sad.

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    Okay, did a little more research on this thing. Can't get a job, can't open a bank account without it. Between this and the NAIS thingy, you won't be able to buy food, sell food, get a job or spend money without the cards or without at least running into this ID mess.

    There is also an agenda going on to require that all Feed Dealers keep track of who they sell feed to and what they buy.

    And the UK has the same deadline, 2008.
    Steph
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    Sorry I just don't believe this is the mark of the beast...if it is, then only the rich will have the ablity to choose...the poor will be saved though because they have no need of a chip since they have no money.

    The World Bank defines extreme poverty as living on less than US$ (PPP) 1 per day, and moderate poverty as less than $2 a day. It has been estimated that in 2001, 1.1 billion people had consumption levels below $1 a day and 2.7 billion lived on less than $2 a day.

    Even if poverty may be lessening for the world as a whole, it continues to be an enormous problem:

    One third of deaths - some 18 million people a year or 50,000 per day - are due to poverty-related causes. That's 270 million people since 1990, the majority women and children, roughly equal to the population of the US.
    Every year nearly 11 million children die before their fifth birthday.
    800 million people go to bed hungry every day.
    The three richest people in the world control more wealth than all 600 million people living in the world's poorest countries.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty

    Do you have any idea of the huge amount of money it would take to tag everyone in this world with any kind of mark? And so many do live in isloated areas of the world...in jungles, on mountains...in deep valleys, on islands...by the time they got to everyone which would take a massive amount of manpower and money, so many new babies would be born and several years old they would have to start all over again.

    There ARE alot of people that live on the land, that hunt their food, drink from rivers....they have no idea what money is, or credit cards, or anything of the sorts....why would they care about an ID card? If people would just use some common sense they would see this just is not fesable so we need to take a new look at those passages in the bible...
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    Truly if our salvation comes down to taking the mark (getting a chip, or ID card) then the poor have a free ticket to Heaven ...and that isn't bibical. I would like to see a real news link that says this is all true, not a religious site saying this by the way.

    God bless
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    We can't even control illegal immigrants gettng into this country or suicide bombers getting on airplanes. Its a lot like gun control - what you will end up with is only the criminals with any freedom and anonymnity. Its like any theory, it only sounds like a good plan until you try to get it to work with human beings. We are not cattle. No we are far too inventive in our sin to not corrupt it into something else. And corrupt it we will. Only those who underestimate the sinfulness of the human heart could even entertain that such ideas would have any "good" purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonglow View Post
    Sorry I just don't believe this is the mark of the beast..
    I will stand in agreement with you here
    Quote Originally Posted by Job 34:19
    God is not partial to princes and does not favor the rich over the poor, for they are all the work of His hands.

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    This is the information I am finding in the news on the ID card so far:

    http://www.cio.in/news/viewArticle/ARTICLEID=2602
    UK Government Changes Plan on ID Card Database

    The U.K. government has made a U-turn on controversial plans for a single ID Card database. Instead of one huge, new National Identity Register (NIR) database, it will now be spread across three existing systems. However, John Reid, the Home Secretary, said it was "a sensible decision" and denied it was a U-turn. The change is needed to make the plan -- now estimated at Rs 46,901 crore over 10 years -- more affordable.


    Some of the cost is expected to be met by individuals paying for the card.
    Another cost-cutting change is the removal of iris scan data from the system. Fingerprints and facial scans are the two remaining biometric data types.


    Those making two dollars or less a day sure won't beable to pay for a card...plus why would they need a card when they live in dumps? Or a mountain, in the jungles? They don't have grocery stores to go to or banks ...they barder or hunt or dig through the trash for what they need.

    http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_4946341
    Government finalizes rules for port ID card
    Background checks to begin in March on 750,000; card to go into effect 18 months later.
    By Kristopher Hanson, Staff writer

    Federal authorities on Wednesday released final regulations for a national port worker identification card for hundreds of thousands of longshoremen, mariners and other port workers across the country.
    The card, which requires an extensive federal background check, will not initially apply to most of the immigrant truckers who haul goods in and out of the port complex in Long Beach and Los Angeles.

    Background checks begin in March on an estimated 750,000 port workers, with the program, known as the Transportation Worker Identification Card, or TWIC, going into effect about 18 months later, an official said Wednesday.

    Although the card requires a review of an applicant's immigration status, it does not preclude noncitizens who are gainfully employed and have no criminal history.

    In addition, the card will be issued only to port workers with "unescorted access" to terminals and ships.

    "We shouldn't make the assumption that truck drivers have unrestricted access to terminals," said Nico Melendez, a Transportation Security Administration spokesman.

    The card will contain the holder's photograph and name, an expiration date and a serial number. An integrated circuit chip will store the holder's fingerprint template, a four-digit PIN chosen by the individual and unique identifying information, Melendez said.
    Those barred from obtaining a card include individuals with certain serious felony convictions, aliens eligible for deportation and those posing a "terrorism security risk to the United States," according to the regulation.

    Union officials representing port workers have expressed reservations about the card's cost, which ranges from $139 to $159, and its potential effect on members.

    "It makes no sense to impose onerous requirements on workers now and force them to pay almost $150 for a glorified flash pass that may never be used as intended," said Edward Wytkind, a spokesman for the AFL-CIO Transportation Trades Department. "Why should workers bear the brunt of our government's transportation security programs?"


    So the bad guys don't get a card (yet the bible says its the nonbelievers that will take the mark)...this seems a little backwards then from what the bible says.

    http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=conWebDoc.9308

    Plans for iris scans in ID cards dropped

    05/01/2007

    The government has announced that plans for iris scans to be used as part of the national ID card scheme have been dropped.

    It had originally been envisaged that the national biometric database would include iris scans, fingerprints and facial measurements in order to identify every adult in the UK.

    However, the government has announced that due to cost and technical uncertainties iris scans will not be used.


    That is going to be the biggest problem...the cost...there is no way everyone in the whole world can get an ID card or a chip...the 'beast' would have to solve the world's proverty problem first...the cost would be massive! Not too mention impossible when a new baby is born every half second in this world.

    http://www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldpop

    Image how many would have to be sent out throughout the whole world to make sure every baby got a chip or an ID card...only in advanced nations are babies born in hospitals....they certainly aren't in third world counties, in jungles, etc...to even find them all would literally be impossible. Plus if a baby is given an ID card or a chip, that takes away their right to choose....and if this was the mark of the beast, the baby would be condemned according to the bible for taking the mark...I think the bible makes it clear this is a conscience choice made by people old enough to make that choice. So would the beast wait and let each child reach a certain age then have them make that choice....from the pre-trib point of view the beast only reigns three and a half years...at the most seven depending on your point of view on it.

    Anyway I am not finding any news article that says people cannot buy or sell or drive their car, etc, without a national ID card. There are plenty of religious sites saying this but I am not finding this based on any facts though. Oh and if you do a search, those that have gotten the chip implants....they have mostly all gotten them in their upper arm...not in their right hand or in their forehead.

    God bless
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quickened View Post
    I will stand in agreement with you here
    Agree as well!


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    Quote Originally Posted by moonglow View Post
    Sorry I just don't believe this is the mark of the beast...if it is, then only the rich will have the ablity to choose...the poor will be saved though because they have no need of a chip since they have no money.

    The World Bank defines extreme poverty as living on less than US$ (PPP) 1 per day, and moderate poverty as less than $2 a day. It has been estimated that in 2001, 1.1 billion people had consumption levels below $1 a day and 2.7 billion lived on less than $2 a day.

    Even if poverty may be lessening for the world as a whole, it continues to be an enormous problem:

    One third of deaths - some 18 million people a year or 50,000 per day - are due to poverty-related causes. That's 270 million people since 1990, the majority women and children, roughly equal to the population of the US.
    Every year nearly 11 million children die before their fifth birthday.
    800 million people go to bed hungry every day.
    The three richest people in the world control more wealth than all 600 million people living in the world's poorest countries.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty

    Do you have any idea of the huge amount of money it would take to tag everyone in this world with any kind of mark? And so many do live in isloated areas of the world...in jungles, on mountains...in deep valleys, on islands...by the time they got to everyone which would take a massive amount of manpower and money, so many new babies would be born and several years old they would have to start all over again.

    There ARE alot of people that live on the land, that hunt their food, drink from rivers....they have no idea what money is, or credit cards, or anything of the sorts....why would they care about an ID card? If people would just use some common sense they would see this just is not fesable so we need to take a new look at those passages in the bible...
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    Truly if our salvation comes down to taking the mark (getting a chip, or ID card) then the poor have a free ticket to Heaven ...and that isn't bibical. I would like to see a real news link that says this is all true, not a religious site saying this by the way.

    God bless

    But could you please tell me then what God meant when He said, with crystal clarity, that both the rich and the poor would be required to take the mark in order to buy and sell?

    I understand you think this happened back in 70 AD, but for a moment pretend it did not and explain to me then the trends toward this and how in light of what God said, which I mentioned above, it will not be so?

    Could it be that what you think is based not alone on what you believe and reason and know but also on what you do not know? Some piece of information you do not have that would change your thinking? That your opinion is not what guides either sat*n or those that would bring this about? Is there possibly more out there that you are not aware of and will not be prevented merely because you do not see how it could be?

    As I've been saying for well over a year now, watch the trends.

    And I'm not trying to argue this with you MG as we've been through this before, but I'd like you to think beyond what is in front of you and only what you see.

    As for the right forearm, it qualifies as the right hand.

    You have presented some points that would seem to say, such a thing cannot be because of this or that problem. And yet you are on the internet, risking everyday your computer from a virus and so on. Prolems with being on the interent? You bet and yet it cannot grow fast enough. To suggest that some problems might exist and that is proof it cannot ever be is ignoring historical fact of many things. Computers are tremendous security risks in business and government. The only safe solution is not to have them, and yet we do. The problems are quite simply not a problem, a deterrent nor something that will stop what is coming. Do you own a credit card or perhaps a debit card? Any problems with those? YOu bet and yet we have and use them. Problems with your SS#? Identity theft is rampant and growing and yet we have them. Suggested problems as ebing a deterrent are ignoring reality, history and the trend that cannot be stopped.

    Just keep an eye open for the trends; it costs you nothing to be aware and look beyond the obvious and recognize what is coming.

    Finally, the ID card is not the mark, but it is my belief that the RFID chip implant will be. Time will reveal if this is so or not. The process will be one that is initially voluntary I think, but soon enough it will become such that without it you cannot buy or sell. It might be interesting that the government won't have to push very hard at first for it since the businesses will require it as well. There are businesses out there that are looking for ways in which to sell to you without anything more than scanning you; not scanning your eye, a card, your fingerprint and so on but you - that little chip in you. Yes, I said there are in fact, even now, businesses that want to move you in this direction.

    I see a lot of opinions on here, but how many I wonder actually have more than an opinion? What knowledge of RFID do you have? What knowledge of the businesses that are getting together over RFID do you have? Sometimes it takes more than mere opinion to make a matter true.

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    Early prototype of the mark in Malaysia

    An early prototype of the Mark of the beast ID card has already been in use in my country (Malaysia) for a few years. It's a universal microchip that is designed to replace all money, bank cards, and all forms of ID probably even using genetic material in the future. And yes, there is 666 on both the front and the back of the card if you pay attention. We are not using it's full capability yet but when it's fully implemented we won't be able to buy or sell, use a bank, travel, see a doctor, or get a job without it so only Christians who can live by faith in God's miraculous provision and healing will be able survive. Basically, it is both a spiritual mark and physical mark because if you can't survive without the world, you're forced to take the physical mark. I have no doubt it will be replaced by an implant in a few years.

    Anyway, here is most scriptural and researched article on the Mark I've read so far: http://www.americaslastdays.com/hm13.htm
    (Numbers 6:23) ...in this way you shall bless the children of Israel: you shall say to them,
    The Lord bless you, and keep you:
    The Lord make His face shine upon you, and be gracious to you:
    The Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace.
    So shall they put My name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

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    I don't believe that the national ID is the mark either, but it is the slow methodical indoctrination of the concept to people all over the world that the use of such technology will be for the good of the people. Identity theft, abductions, banking , medical records ect... people will buy into the thinking that these are good.

    By the time whatever the method is, people will be glad to take it. Except those who know what it really is. Rich or poor if God says it will be that way it will for sure. Maybe by then the population will be smaller, desparate, who knows for sure. Things we could not see just 10yrs or so ago we see so much clearer now. So when it happens the rich the poor everyone will be required to have it.

    Just a thought and not a good one at that. If ii is required , which it will be, the poor and old, and sick ect are not valued today as they should be. It is becoming acceptable in some circles that these should not be let to live anyway. It could come to survival of the fittest and best, richest,
    It will be such a terrible time in the world that these may be thought of as expendable. Just a thought.

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